Talk:Penticton Voyage Tips and guide

This article has Star potential. It's well written with great information. However, for Star status it needs both to be entirely complete and to exactly match the manual of style. If you see how it can be improved, please plunge forward or point it out on the talk page.

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Thanks... I am a local, so I was dismayed to see nothing on my hometown. User:(WT-en) Bulliver

And you had the perfect response to that! I'm glad to find out what a neat place you live in... (just fyi, double check that you're logged in, then you can sign your comments with a ~~~~ shortcut.) (WT-en) Majnoona 18:32, 24 February 2006 (EST)

Thanks. I am logged in now. So there is no confusion, all edits with the IP address were in fact me (WT-en) bulliver 19:59, 24 February 2006 (EST)

Well, here is a map of Penticton. I am pretty happy with the results considering I have never used Inkscape before, let alone drawn a map. Kudos to whomever wrote the 'How to draw a map' page. Good instructions even an idiot like me can follow. Still could use some work though (the map, not the instructions ;)). I will plug away more and update as I can.

Couple things though, the upload page was getting cranky because of the size of the map. I uploaded anyway because it is still under 512kb, however, I don't want to make anyone mad so please tell me if this is out of line. Also, the exported png is more than twice the size of the SVG source. Is that right? I would think the SVG would be larger because of the layer details and all that. Did I miss a step? At first I tried exporting at 1000px wide as in the instructions, but the file was way > 512kb. (WT-en) bulliver 05:17, 27 February 2006 (EST)

Replying to self: I figured out how to make the maps smaller in kb and uploaded a new one. Must remember: Read the instructions! (WT-en) bulliver 10:22, 1 March 2006 (EST)

I'm half-inclined to upgrade this four day old article to star status. What do people think needs to be added or improved to get there? -- (WT-en) Colin 13:32, 28 February 2006 (EST)

I agree that this article is veeeeeery close to being a star. It's amazing! I don't usually like to critique -- I'd rather get to work -- but here's what I think we need to push it over the top.

• We need to re-integrate the "highly recommended" and "local secret" sections into the rest of the Eat and Drink section -- I'm not sure personal recommendations should be featured in that way. A good, enticing description will do more to recommend a place than saying "this is recommended".

• There are some smileys embedded in places -- those should probably go.

• Most of the restaurant listings and bar listings need opening hours and estimated prices.

The problem with this is that a lot of places drastically cut back their hours, close for lunch, if not close altogether in the winter. Should I just add summer hours? (WT-en) bulliver 16:41, 28 February 2006 (EST)

That's sounds about right to me. If you know which places cut back for Summer, maybe mark the hours as specifically being summer hours. If your not exactly sure which places, just put a blanket statement at the top of the section. Uh... I think. -- (WT-en) Colin 17:02, 28 February 2006 (EST)

• Some of the See and Do listings need to come in line with the attraction listings format, in particular with opening hours and prices.

• The accommodation listings are almost perfect, but most of the listings have the URL somewhere weird.

• Some of the prose needs to be tightened up, especially in the intros to sections.

• It might be nice to get some context about the city in the first (un-titled) section. History, geography, culture. A paragraph should probably be sufficient.

I do plan to add some history and weather info etc. Just researching now. Should I keep the top section brief and move it to an Understand? (WT-en) bulliver 16:31, 28 February 2006 (EST)

Please note that I'm listing minor problems that keep this article from being one of the most perfect on Wikivoyage. I think what's not listed is fantastic and a real lesson in how to make great travel guides. --(WT-en) Evan 13:50, 28 February 2006 (EST)

• The accommodation listings URL locations fixed. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 14:01, 28 February 2006 (EST)

Thanks Evan. This was a really useful exercise for me to really pin down in my head what the MoS is at a really detailed level. So much so that I'm now fixing tons of stuff in Lausanne. -- (WT-en) Colin 16:28, 3 March 2006 (EST)

From the section titled "sleep":

As with restaurants, the amount of accommodations available in Penticton is disapportionate compared to the size of the city

"Disapportionate" isn't a word. Anyone know what it's supposed to mean? Disappointing? Disproportionate? Some melange of the two? 18.33.0.55 13:42, 18 October 2006 (EDT)

Bit of a late reply here, but yes, I meant "Disproportionate", or 'not proportional to'. Thanks for fixing. (WT-en) bulliver 15:35, 23 July 2007 (EDT)

I know it says "only nominate articles which cannot be easily elevated/restored to "star" quality, but this appears to be the only place to call attention to the fact that we have a star article with an improper formatting disclaimer, and indeed, none of the article is formatted properly. After formatting the article, perhaps there will be more missing information, but it's embarassing to have such a notice on a "star" article. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 04:29, 12 April 2010 (EDT)

• Demote. It's still a really great guide, but it's no longer even close to our ever more rigorous star standards. Price info is missing for most of the listings, along w/ some contact info, and the map does not have all listings marked. It would of course be great if someone were to rescue the article... ;) --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 10:44, 12 April 2010 (EDT)
• Demote. There's no shame in being merely guide status, though. =) (WT-en) LtPowers 13:51, 22 April 2010 (EDT)

The average temperature in winter is not an average of -2.7C, the average low in january is only -1.7C and a high of .9C, -2.7 is clearly wrong, can someone please fix this i tried to but it didnt work. thank you —The preceding comment was added by 136.159.127.36 (talk • contribs)

It worked fine. What do you think didn't work? (According to Wikipedia, though, the average low in January is -4.3, not -1.7.) (WT-en) LtPowers 11:40, 13 December 2010 (EST)