User talk:DerFussi Voyage Tips and guide

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Yes, available now. See here. --Saqib (talk) 23:03, 22 October 2012 (CEST)

Thanks. -- DerFussi (talk) 00:41, 23 October 2012 (CEST)

I am user from India and would like start work on Indic languages. Pls. let me know what needs to be done to start Indic Wikivoyage like Marathi Language, Bangoli language, Gujrathi language etc. (WV-en) Kalakar (talk) 17:41, 28 October 2012 (CET)

Hi Kalakar! Thanks for being interested. During the migration no new language version will be started. People just working on the move to the new servers. After that the Incubator will be the best place to ask for a new language version. I am going to remind the WMF guys to create a WV section there. -- DerFussi (talk) 18:13, 29 October 2012 (CET)

Stefan: In English, this sounds like it was you that sold Wikitravel!

"Fussi was contributor, admin and interim go-between on the German Wikitravel. After selling the project i started to build up the Wikivoyage project. On 02. November the project was transfered to the Wikimedia Foundation."

I suggest you change to something like:

Fussi was a contributor, admin and interim go-between on the German Wikitravel. After the sale of Wikitravel to commercial interests, I started to build the non-profit Wikivoyage project. On 2 November 2012 this Wikivoyage project was transfered to the Wikimedia Foundation. -- Alice^✉ 08:16, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

oooops.. Thanks.. -- DerFussi (talk) 08:40, 28 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

My pleasure; have a really great 2013, Stefan! -- Alice^✉ 09:31, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi Stefan. I was perusing your userpage, and wanted to say I thought it looked pretty cool! :) I also noticed that you've travelled to many Asian countries, but seemed to have skipped over Laos. Having recently been there myself, I just wanted to promote it to you as an amazing country full of many hidden gems and beautiful experiences. Luang Prabang particularly is a great, cosy town. I'll be working on the Laotian articles in the coming weeks, hoping to bring them to a better standard than what is present. JamesA ^>talk 11:44, 29 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi. Thanks so much. Yeah! I missed Laos, but time will come. This year I attend the Wikimania in Hong Kong hoping to find some more friends of WV and drive the project forward. Then I go to Kota Kinabalu again including a short stop in Manila. But next year in April I want to be in Laos for Lao New Year. Really look forward to it. You should put Myanmar at the top of your wishlist. Been there 10 years ago. Its the most beautiful country I've ever been to. Many greetings from Cottbus. -- DerFussi 07:07, 30 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

That's great that you'll be at Wikimania. Hopefully you can push the Wikivoyage cause and get some notability for our project. We missed the Lao New Year, though our tour guide told us it is an amazing experience. Thanks for the advice on Myanmar. I am hoping to go there next year, as I do have some family history in the country, along with Bangladesh. Bagan looks magnificent, and the country is definitely an up-and-coming tourist hotspot! JamesA ^>talk 09:13, 30 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hello! Sorry for writing in English. As you're an administrator here, please check the message I left on MediaWiki talk:Licenses and the village pump. Thanks, Nemo 19:22, 18 September 2014 (UTC)Reply

OK. I am quite active on COmmons right now.... Going to check it tonight and join the discussion. -- DerFussi 06:11, 19 September 2014 (UTC)Reply

My friend i want to work in pashto wikivoyage but there is much froblems that because of no one work in pashto wikivoyage, but i realy want to make many articles on pashto launguage, please help me to open it for next time, please and i am also administrator in pashto launguage:) Bukti.khan (talk) 00:46, 8 April 2017 (UTC)Reply

Hi. How are you? Thanks for the message. I have visited the site in the Incubator. But unfortunately I can not speak and write Pashto. -- DerFussi 05:58, 9 April 2017 (UTC)Reply

Swept in from the pub

I am considering to provide my little Article about Nanxun here as well. Two questions:

• As you can see, I have added the Chinese names of all listings. They are stored in Wikidata and fetched from Wikidata by our listing template. And we have additional parameters for the names and addresses in local language. So we can implement our "taxi button" for the mobile version later. How do you store the local names and the address written in local language in your listings? Just add it in parentheses. The help site for the listing editor did not provide any information.
• I took a panoramic of one canal and would provide it as a banner. The talk page of the property on Wikidata does not provide any information about the minimal size and aspect ratio of a banner file. A help site may be useful. I am sure I can find some information here, but if non wikivoyage users want to use banners in their projects and provide suitable images, they would never find the information here in the local wiki. -- DerFussi 06:21, 15 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

OK, one partial answer: The "alt" field is precisely and by design the place for the local name or non-Roman spelling of any name. You're right that there is no separate field for an address in non-Roman writing. Perhaps there should be, but considering that the "alt" field is used much more often by morons who simply duplicate the name there, I'm not so sure. But wait, are you asking about where on Wikidata to put that information? I have no idea, but isn't that a Wikidata issue most usefully discussed somewhere on Wikidata?

In terms of Wikidata providing or not providing aspect ratio details on banner files: Wikivoyage pagebanners are a Wikivoyage thing. If Wikidata users would like to copy any information they like from Wikivoyage:Banner expedition, that's great, but unless I'm missing something, it's a Wikidata issue that doesn't affect Wikivoyage. If there's a Pub on Wikidata, this would seem like a topic to broach there. Feel free to link this thread. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:36, 15 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

Thanks. Yeah, I've asked about the place to store the local name here. All necessary information is saved on Wikidata already. But as far as I know, your listing don't use Wikidata directly. On WV/de I save just the Wikidata ID and the description in the listing and thats it. But I think i have to add some information manually here. So I am going to type it in the "alt" field. You sould consider parameters for the names and addresses in local language. I had the idea for a new feature like the "taxi button" offered in apps like the Agoda app. This button could open a popup on mobile phones with a map and on es second screen the text "Please take me to: foo, bla" including the phonenumber + call button. All written in local language. So if you enter a taxi in Bangkok you just have to touch the button in the listing and show it to the taxi driver. Roland has drafted some screenshots a while ago. If you are interested in this kind of feature we should work together.

I do not think, the banner is just a Wikivoyage thing. Once provided on wikidata as a property its open to everybody. There is even an (understandable) suggestion to rename the property and remove the word "Wikivoyage" from it. -- DerFussi 06:56, 15 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

If we need to create a new field for local names, what, then, is the "alt" field for? Just former names of places? I'd suggest removing it, then, because of the prevalence of duplication I mentioned before. But I think there needs to be a way to make the usage of "alt" more clearly understood (by smart guys like you and even by morons, haha). On your point about pagebanners: Of course, anyone can use them, but I don't think it's really a Wikivoyage issue how people use them outside of Wikivoyage. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:01, 15 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

We use it for alternative names (if there is) and used it for the local name. I think its almost obsolete, when a separate local-name parameter is introduced. But we will need a bot that transfer/rename the "alt" parameters to possible new ones. If you consider to introduce local name parameters it could be useful to uses the same names as we do (VCard, see "*-local" parameters). -- DerFussi 08:54, 15 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

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@SHB2000: Thanks for the information. Besides I would suggest using templates including css classes for information boxes like the one above instead of colors and other styles inside the html. I use an own css-file to read the wiki in a dark mode. But in this case I have almost no chance to restyle these information boxes. I had to mark the text to read it. On voy/de we have introduced template styles and css classes with a voy- prefix on all templates. So we are well prepared to new style features and user can easily adapt their skin. -- DerFussi 10:13, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

I actually want to introduce these templates on en.voy, but I'll probably never get the consensus to do so because of this wiki's stern template policy and previous discussions we've had with other templates haven't gone well. It left me with no other choice but to substitute {{disclaimerbox}} which is a real pity IMO. We really need more users like you who understand the need for better templates :-) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 12:51, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

@SHB2000: I understand. I am still a bit busy on voy/de with a complete renew of modules for Wikidata, but maybe I can take a closer look at your templates. Cold season is coming here :). Maybe we can update things in many little steps and I could help out with that. And you have got much bad HTML on your pages. I think/hope we can get rid of many of them by fixing existing templates. The biggest thing are your listings. These are imho so much outdated, but this is a huge construction site and i would keep my hands off it. -- DerFussi 08:19, 26 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

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