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[edit]This page will probably need to be renamed "Jacksonville_(Florida)" because there are other cities named Jacksonville in the US. Jacksonville, North Carolina, for one. (WT-en) Gamweb 00:57, 20 July 2007 (EDT)
- There's already a Jacksonville (disambiguation), which lists the others. The one in FL seems to be considerably larger and better known than any of the competition. (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:13, 20 July 2007 (EDT)
Need districtification?
[edit]User:Mathew105601 suggested to districtify the Jacksonville article and xe suggested following: --Saqib (talk) 15:52, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
Jacksonvillians understand their city by splitting it into large "sides" to the north, south, east, and west of the central business district. Jacksonvillians also tend to identify strongly with their neighborhood
| Downtown (Brooklyn, LaVilla, Northbank, Southbank, Sports Complex) The largest central business district in North Florida, downtown Jacksonville includes the convention center, city hall, EverBank Field, Veteran Memorial Arena, Museum of Science and History and the Jacksonville Landing |
| Old City of Jacksonville (Eastside, Murray Hill, New Town, Ortega, Panama Park, Riverside and Avondale, San Marco, Springfield, St. Nicholas) Encompassing areas within the 1967 boundaries of the pre-consolidated City of Jacksonville. This area includes historic neighborhoods and many of the cities cultural resources. These include the Cummer Museum Art and Gardens, Karpeles Manuscript Library Museum, Memorial Park, Confederate Park and Klutho Park. |
| Arlington (East Arlington, Regency Square, Sandalwood) Located to the east of downtown, Arlington covers a large area south of the St. Johns River to the Intracoastal Waterway. Southside overlaps with Arlington to the south. The area is home to Jacksonville University, Regency Square Mall, and Fort Caroline. |
| Southside (Mandarin, Deerwood, Nocatee, Baymeadows) Southside is home to many of the cities developing suburbs. The Avenues Mall and St. Johns Town Center are the primary shopping centers in the area. The University of North Florida and Florida Coastal School of Law also call the Southside home. |
| Westside (Lake Shore, Cedar Hill, Normandy, Sweetwater, Confederate Point) Home to NAS Jacksonville. |
| Northside (Fort George Island) Northside is the home to much of Jacksonville's major tourism infrastructure. Fort George Island Cultural State Park, Jacksonville Zoo, Jaxport Cruise Terminal and Jacksonville International Airport are all located in the area. |
| The Beaches (Atlantic Beach, Jacksonville Beach, Mayport, Neptune Beach) The Beaches of Jacksonville are about a 25 minute drive east of downtown. These communities are separated from the main body of the city of Jacksonville by the Intracoastal Waterway. |
- Not yet — sorry Mathew, but we don't chop up city articles into districts before they get very large and thus kinda "unwieldy". Currently I don't think there is so much information in Jacksonville that we should need to districtify the article. But if know the city well and start expanding the article, a division into districts will eventually be needed. That said, if the above mentioned division into districts is really useful for navigation in Jacksonville, I guess the map and a list of the districts could be included in the article in some form. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:29, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ypsilon, I understand your point, and agree that the page is lacking in content. I have to say for the record, I never used the word districtify in my campaign for a neighborhood map on the Jacksonville page. It seems this term may be loaded and unique to this wiki, and one I might not fully understand. I don't see how giving a potential traveler the upper-hand in local knowledge of locations and place is not worth including. It seems to always be relevant to know that type of information, even in the smallest of cities. I'm not advocating for new district pages yet, which seems to be my conclusion of what districtify means. I do think that pages could be developed in the future, that is if every decision doesn't have to be made by council. I've been on wikipedia for years, Wikivoyager is a much more frustrating beast. —The preceding comment was added by Mathew105601 (talk • contribs)
- The learning curve can be on the steep side, don't get too frustrated :-) Indeed, the word "districtify" comes with images of empty skeleton district articles for some of us, and yes, there's not yet enough information to create such articles. However, I don't see why we should not yet include the map with an (unlinked) list of neighbourhood names, if that's relevant information for an average traveller. Especially when you say people tend to identify with their neighbourhoods. That's pretty much what Ypsilon also said above. I just can't comment on the division you made - I'm absolutely unfamiliar with the city. JuliasTravels (talk) 16:18, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- Hi again! You guessed right. Districtifying/districtification is something we do when we have a lot of information - usually that means a lot of individual sights, activities, restaurants, hotels etc. (ie. "listings") In those cases we create sub articles (district articles) for the city and put the listings there, and change the text in the city's original See, Do etc. sections to more general descriptions of the city "Art buffs should head to X, as most of the city's museums and galleries are located there. If you want to party the best clubs are in Y" . I just read what Saqib wrote above and thought that you were about to do that.
- But thanks for clarifying. I want to second what Julia just said, if your plan was just to add the map and the description of the districts as above to the article, by all means do it. It is useful information for a traveler. And welcome to Wikivoyage! ϒpsilon (talk) 16:50, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- I also thought Methew wants to districtify the article since he created that region list which is usually allowed when one wants to districtify an article. Incase we're not districtifying this article, we don't want a region list as proposed by Methew and instead a sub-section called "Orientation" under the "Understand" section will be enough. --Saqib (talk) 16:55, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, it should be put in a sub section of Understand, like in Oslo. As the map has colors, I think it would be practical to have the colored bars on the left hand side (in other words in the same way as in a district list) but of course without links. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:08, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- Judging from this thread it looks like the consensus is to include the "Orientation" section as is. Unless there are any further objections I will be merging this section into the main article in the near future. Mathew105601 (talk) 14:09, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, it should be put in a sub section of Understand, like in Oslo. As the map has colors, I think it would be practical to have the colored bars on the left hand side (in other words in the same way as in a district list) but of course without links. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:08, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- I also thought Methew wants to districtify the article since he created that region list which is usually allowed when one wants to districtify an article. Incase we're not districtifying this article, we don't want a region list as proposed by Methew and instead a sub-section called "Orientation" under the "Understand" section will be enough. --Saqib (talk) 16:55, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- But thanks for clarifying. I want to second what Julia just said, if your plan was just to add the map and the description of the districts as above to the article, by all means do it. It is useful information for a traveler. And welcome to Wikivoyage! ϒpsilon (talk) 16:50, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- Hi again! You guessed right. Districtifying/districtification is something we do when we have a lot of information - usually that means a lot of individual sights, activities, restaurants, hotels etc. (ie. "listings") In those cases we create sub articles (district articles) for the city and put the listings there, and change the text in the city's original See, Do etc. sections to more general descriptions of the city "Art buffs should head to X, as most of the city's museums and galleries are located there. If you want to party the best clubs are in Y" . I just read what Saqib wrote above and thought that you were about to do that.
- Given that this topic has risen objections in the past, I want to give notice of my intention to add districts to this article and to summarize topics currently in list form in pros on the Jacksonville page. Although the current form of the Jacksonville page is useful, it could me more so if certain, more repetitive data was diverted to the more localized article, while the main page could be better summarized and present more fluidly. This districtification also falls in line with local approaches to presenting the region, giving a good framework to build from. I could use some pointers on how to develop maps inline with other wikivoyage city pages. Mathew105601 (talk) 17:10, 8 March 2020 (UTC)