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A couple quick questions
[edit]Hello SHB2000! I had a couple questions on technical matters.
First, I noticed you are using a tool called "restorer" which seems like a useful tool to revert vandalism. I added what appeared to be the necessary changes to User:SelfieCity/common.js but I don't see any additional buttons. Is this because of user rights?
Second (not sure what talk page to raise this on as it's just a prompt) but at the top of the new article page, the text reads:
"To start, please click on one of the following links to pre-fill this article with the standard sections:
City/town • City district • Rural area • Region • National/regional park • Phrasebook • Huge airport • Dive site • Itinerary • Event • Disambiguation • Redirect"
I like this prompt, but it is missing the travel topic template. While that template is less rigid than our other templates, I think it would still be helpful to include it, as it adds several important templates to new articles, including PartofTopic, outlinetopic and pagebanner. Would it be possible to add travel topic to the above list, with a prefilled template based upon Wikivoyage:Travel topic article template? --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 17:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- @SelfieCity: For the first one, the reason why you're not seeing it in my commons.js is because I have it in my global.js (on Meta). I'd definitely recommend putting it in your global js purely due to the fact that it works globally (this is before I got global rollback + global sysop, but it still comes in handy on the occasional day that rollback also fails). Might want to copy what's in my global.js and see if that works.
- I'll try and mend the second one – iirc there's a special page in the MediaWiki namespace.
- --SHB (t | c | m) 21:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Done the second too – see Special:Diff/5002236. --SHB (t | c | m) 21:52, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wow, that's really good! I hope it leads more people to create travel topic articles, as I think there is a lot of potential in that field. Thank you. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 04:00, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Glad to help. :) --SHB (t | c | m) 04:01, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- oh btw, your global js is supposed to be on Meta (at m:User:SelfieCity/global.js) – sorry for not mentioning this earlier. SHB (t | c | m) 04:02, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Ah, I see. I've done that now. Thanks again! --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 14:16, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wow, that's really good! I hope it leads more people to create travel topic articles, as I think there is a lot of potential in that field. Thank you. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 04:00, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Currency tables
[edit]I understand not wanting to make the lists too long, but it's admittedly a tough call. Some countries will inevitably have longer lists than others because they are major financial hubs, or they receive a lot of visitors from some of their neighbours. The reason why I've put so many currencies for Singapore because it is a major financial and transit hub. Many people travelling from Australia or New Zealand to Europe change flights in Singapore, which is why I would consider Australian and New Zealand dollars important for Singapore. The dog2 (talk) 21:29, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- I suppose that's true, too. I'm still wondering if there's a way to just extract the values from Wikidata (which would save time updating), though I don't know how often WD updates their lists. --SHB (t | c | m) 22:20, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- People who work in the financial sector will not rely on Wikivoyage for exchange rates. Adding in extra currencies makes the task if updating exchange rates more onerous. It takes a lot of time. I am grateful for SHB taking on the lion's share of the work this year. I am not interested in spending time to update the Swiss franc-to-Icelandic kroner and the Swiss franc-to-Danish kroner rates in case we have a Swiss reader travelling to Iceland or the Faroe Islands. As a Canadian, I don't expect my currency to be a standard unit of exchange anywhere. It is nice to have in the Caribbean/Central America sun locations, but I do not expect to see it elsewhere. Ground Zero (talk) 22:37, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- I would say we should only ever be willing to add a long list (long would mean generally over 6) if we ever find a way to automatically update the exchange rates. Which relies on users at Wikidata to update the rates, which I wouldn't place my bets on. SHB (t | c | m) 22:42, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Or is there a way to write a script to pull the exchange rates directly from XE? That you be the best, if someone can do it. Speaking of Swiss francs, it's still a major currency and I think it's useful to have for destinations in Europe, given the ease of travel around Europe. I wouldn't put Swiss francs in table for Mongolia, for instance. The dog2 (talk) 02:00, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- I feel as though CHF would be something for dewikivoyage and frwikivoyage to handle, not us at en. --SHB (t | c | m) 09:40, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- CHF is a major currency in bond markets, but who would travel with CHF instead of EUR? About 8 million Swiss people. That's it. There are 37 million Poles who use the złoty. Ground Zero (talk) 10:55, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- And those 8 million Swiss people are much more likely to read the German and French Wikivoyages as opposed to the English Wikivoyages anyway. --SHB (t | c | m) 11:12, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- My reasoning is that it would also be useful for people travelling around Europe visit Switzerland as well. There's nothing stopping an American tourist from flying into Zurich then travelling overland into Germany, France or Italy. And Zurich is also one of Europe's major air hubs, so you can connect through Zurich to get to almost any major city in Europe except Moscow. I can bet that if you go to a bank in Iceland, they are more likely to exchange Swiss francs than Polish zloty. I can tell you for a fact that in Singapore (I know it's not in Europe, but this is just to make a point that population is not the only thing that determines if a currency is major or minor), any money changer will exchange Swiss francs, but finding one that will exchange Polish zloty, Czech koruna or Swedish krona will be a challenge. The dog2 (talk) 15:32, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Those scenarios are possible, but not likely. The question is whether Wikivoyage wants to be a travel guide for the general reader, or a compendium of the obscure. I am not interested in spending my time updating more rarely used currencies, but if you are, then please do so next January. I don't think it's a good use of time. Ground Zero (talk) 02:00, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- An American flying to Zurich on their way to France should get as much Swiss francs as they need in Switzerland, not any for their needs in France or Iceland. They might leave Switzerland with some francs left, but not so much that it's important for their travel budget. The same for Asians; there is little reason to get francs instead of euros for later exchanging into kronor or zloties. –LPfi (talk) 07:42, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Agreed. --SHB (t | c | m) 08:54, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- An American flying to Zurich on their way to France should get as much Swiss francs as they need in Switzerland, not any for their needs in France or Iceland. They might leave Switzerland with some francs left, but not so much that it's important for their travel budget. The same for Asians; there is little reason to get francs instead of euros for later exchanging into kronor or zloties. –LPfi (talk) 07:42, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Those scenarios are possible, but not likely. The question is whether Wikivoyage wants to be a travel guide for the general reader, or a compendium of the obscure. I am not interested in spending my time updating more rarely used currencies, but if you are, then please do so next January. I don't think it's a good use of time. Ground Zero (talk) 02:00, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- My reasoning is that it would also be useful for people travelling around Europe visit Switzerland as well. There's nothing stopping an American tourist from flying into Zurich then travelling overland into Germany, France or Italy. And Zurich is also one of Europe's major air hubs, so you can connect through Zurich to get to almost any major city in Europe except Moscow. I can bet that if you go to a bank in Iceland, they are more likely to exchange Swiss francs than Polish zloty. I can tell you for a fact that in Singapore (I know it's not in Europe, but this is just to make a point that population is not the only thing that determines if a currency is major or minor), any money changer will exchange Swiss francs, but finding one that will exchange Polish zloty, Czech koruna or Swedish krona will be a challenge. The dog2 (talk) 15:32, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- And those 8 million Swiss people are much more likely to read the German and French Wikivoyages as opposed to the English Wikivoyages anyway. --SHB (t | c | m) 11:12, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- CHF is a major currency in bond markets, but who would travel with CHF instead of EUR? About 8 million Swiss people. That's it. There are 37 million Poles who use the złoty. Ground Zero (talk) 10:55, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- XE provides a free trial and packages starting at €799 (for using their API and some additional services). I cannot find any terms of service, but I assume that hacking your way to retrieve exchange rates automatically isn't exactly what they'd like you to do. They might of course allow our use out of goodwill, but I think we should have explicit permission before running a script automatically. Their €799 "lite" package offers daily updates, much more than monthly, which I think should be our target, so we would probably affect neither their server load nor their business. Coding the script should be easy, at least with access to their API. –LPfi (talk) 10:38, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Not sure who would be willing to pay that much money for what is essentially a volunteer commitment either tbh. SHB (t | c | m) 10:46, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Of course not, and that price is for internal use. WMF could pay if they feel like (no big money for them), but I quoted it because it tells something about their business. The expense for them allowing us to use their API is not about missed income, but about having a lawyer check the deal. –LPfi (talk) 12:39, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Definitely agreed there. SHB (t | c | m) 12:41, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Of course not, and that price is for internal use. WMF could pay if they feel like (no big money for them), but I quoted it because it tells something about their business. The expense for them allowing us to use their API is not about missed income, but about having a lawyer check the deal. –LPfi (talk) 12:39, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Not sure who would be willing to pay that much money for what is essentially a volunteer commitment either tbh. SHB (t | c | m) 10:46, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- I feel as though CHF would be something for dewikivoyage and frwikivoyage to handle, not us at en. --SHB (t | c | m) 09:40, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- Or is there a way to write a script to pull the exchange rates directly from XE? That you be the best, if someone can do it. Speaking of Swiss francs, it's still a major currency and I think it's useful to have for destinations in Europe, given the ease of travel around Europe. I wouldn't put Swiss francs in table for Mongolia, for instance. The dog2 (talk) 02:00, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- I would say we should only ever be willing to add a long list (long would mean generally over 6) if we ever find a way to automatically update the exchange rates. Which relies on users at Wikidata to update the rates, which I wouldn't place my bets on. SHB (t | c | m) 22:42, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- People who work in the financial sector will not rely on Wikivoyage for exchange rates. Adding in extra currencies makes the task if updating exchange rates more onerous. It takes a lot of time. I am grateful for SHB taking on the lion's share of the work this year. I am not interested in spending time to update the Swiss franc-to-Icelandic kroner and the Swiss franc-to-Danish kroner rates in case we have a Swiss reader travelling to Iceland or the Faroe Islands. As a Canadian, I don't expect my currency to be a standard unit of exchange anywhere. It is nice to have in the Caribbean/Central America sun locations, but I do not expect to see it elsewhere. Ground Zero (talk) 22:37, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
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My examples
[edit]If you don't like my examples, give ones you're sure are better. Just deleting stuff is not helpful. What I'm trying to get away from is the idea that suburbs are full of boring, let alone chain restaurants. That's true in some places, but it's not accurate in many other places. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:16, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Ikan Kekek: I reverted my edit for now (and looking back, my apologies for deleting it without substituting for a better text), but how many examples are we able to give to be able to give a fully accurate representation? The issue with the suburbs article right now is that it makes no attempt to differentiate between low-density single family home suburbs, high-density suburbs, streetcar/tramway suburbs (you see this a lot more in Toronto or Melbourne), medium-density suburbs, mixed use suburbs – and the availability of how good a place is to eat really depends on which type of suburb it is. High- and medium-density suburbs and mixed use developments will have way more nicer options to eat, streetcar/tramway suburbs are a mixed bag, while the stereotype only applies to low-density or single family home suburbs (and even that greatly varies by place). And I fully agree with what you said at Special:GoToComment/c-Ikan_Kekek-20250115232800-Yvwv-20250115224100 – it isn't really a helpful article and definitely no more than an article on cities (or parks). --SHB (t | c | m) 00:26, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Right, I agree with you. It's impossible to give a fully accurate representation. The best we can do is give examples. All of your points are well taken. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:32, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, I think you're right, the best we can do is give examples. I suppose it wouldn't exactly violate Wikivoyage:Avoid long lists if we gave one or two examples from each continent? SHB (t | c | m) 00:35, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- No, surely not, or even more. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:06, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, I think you're right, the best we can do is give examples. I suppose it wouldn't exactly violate Wikivoyage:Avoid long lists if we gave one or two examples from each continent? SHB (t | c | m) 00:35, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Right, I agree with you. It's impossible to give a fully accurate representation. The best we can do is give examples. All of your points are well taken. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:32, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
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