Southeast Tasmania vs Southern Tasmania
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- seven years later, I agree. We don't even have a "Southwest Tasmania" article because it's entirely covered by Southwest National Park, but our overall region structure on Tasmania is an absolute mess, and it needs a revamp. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:15, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
- Similarly, in the U.S., what we know as The South is geographically at this point the Southeastern U.S., but it's called that only when strictly geographic criteria are being emphasized. I'd say don't hesitate to change the name. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:32, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
- I'm holding off doing it as I plan to redo the region structure of Tasmania when I come back home next year. Too much to do this week, especially when Sydney is going to be featured in a few days time (I know both have little to do with one-another, except being in the same country, but still) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:43, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
- As per Talk:Tasmania, I'll be moving this article. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:49, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
- Similarly, in the U.S., what we know as The South is geographically at this point the Southeastern U.S., but it's called that only when strictly geographic criteria are being emphasized. I'd say don't hesitate to change the name. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:32, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
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[edit]We have no articles on Wikivoyage that depict the Southern Lights and the aurora is a fairly common sight. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:45, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- They're both beautiful. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:05, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with Ikan that either going to waste would be a shame, but there is something magical (or perhaps more magical) about 1. Vidimian (talk) 02:48, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
- Banner 0 can be used if we end up regionalising this article and we end up creating a Tasman Peninsula article while banner 1 can also be used on Southwest National Park though it is not the most representative of that park. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:53, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Ikan Kekek, Vidimian: To prevent the current from going to waste, shall we restore Special:PermaLink/2714864 as an extraregion so the current banner does not go to waste? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:00, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
- I think any article (whether an extraregion or not) should be created for its own merits, not for saving a banner image. You know the area, so if you think that article makes sense, please go ahead. Whether or not it's created, I hope there could be a home for both images. Vidimian (talk) 13:07, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
- I totally agree. Creating an article for the purpose of using a pagebanner doesn't make sense. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:49, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
- I have tentatively updated this article to call it the South-East and Tasman region, which is what several local tourism agencies use. I'm not sure how granular to get with extra-regions in Tasmania, for example if I was going to go by regions that locals use I'd probably end up with a list that looks like
- Greater Hobart
- Bruny Island
- Coal River Valley
- The Channel
- Derwent Valley
- Huon & Far South (there is a growing push to divide these two by local tourism operators in the Far South but it hasn't yet eventuated)
- South-East
- Southern Beaches
- Tasman Peninsula
- But its definitely difficult to divide precisely. I've seen maps that pull the entirety of the Central Highlands and Midlands into the Southern Tasmania region. It doesn't help that our electoral divisions are useless for providing any guidance, our local governments are extremely regional, and we have a number of competing tourism marketing boards. You also have the historic counties, which are technically still in existence but not particularly relevant to modern Tasmanians. JTdale (talk) 14:02, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
- Hi JTdale, thanks for the input. Your local knowledge is appreciated :-). Regarding the region boundaries, there used to be no boundaries we had for Tasmania before January and it used to be a mess and the lines were pretty much arbitrary with only Southwest National Park being the only region that had a proper defined border – except that's not a region, but a park. So it ended up leaving me having to use LGA boundaries, merely because it was already mapped on OSM and is readily available on OpenStreetMap's database.
- I do agree we should have a Greater Hobart article, because I'm really surprised we have little on places like Wellington Park, Kingston while I am confused on why Tasman Peninsula and Derwent Valley were redirected for no reason.
- However, where should Southwest National Park go under? It's huge, and it doesn't really fit in either of the two regions, so I guess that should probably stay under Southern Tasmania. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:55, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Hi SHB. Southwest National Park is an awkward situation I suppose - Melaleuca is the only area that has ever been substantially settled, and is now abandoned. It is only accessible via land by the Huon Valley, and the only tour flights depart Hobart, so I feel it is safe to leave it under Southern Tasmania. JTdale (talk) 10:32, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Addendum: A substantial part of the park is within Huon Valley and Derwent Valley councils too, which I feel supports the case. JTdale (talk) 10:34, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Makes sense. Also to the naming of South-East, should it be South-East, or Southeast? I haven't seen a consistent naming here in New South Wales, but I'm only asking based on Southwest National Park and the locality of Southwest both of which use the one-word spelling rather than the two. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:46, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- You made me look and now I actually see South East more often - Big 4 Caravan parks and Rediscover Tasmania both use that version; Tasman Council uses the term "South East" in its feasibility study for council amalgamation with Sorell. The regional employment authority is the South East Employment Hub and the local parish is the Anglican Parish of South East Tasmania. I only see the Tasman Gazette using South-East on its website, and no one using Southeast. JTdale (talk) 11:12, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- I did a quick look on the Macquarie Dictionary which seems to favor South-East with a dash. tbh I don't really have an opinion on what we use, as long as it just reflects local usage. Looking forward to the Greater Hobart article :-). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:17, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Also, on another note, should Macquarie Island be categorized under the future Huon & Far South article, or remain under Subantarctic islands in line with other islands on a similar boat such as New Zealand Subantarctic Islands or Heard Island and McDonald Islands. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:36, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- Legally, its administered by the Huon Valley Council, but I don't think anyone really thinks of it as a destination when planning a trip to the Huon Valley, so probably best to say in Subantarctic islands? JTdale (talk) 17:25, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- Additional question - should it be Huon and Far South or Huon & Far South? Not sure of Wikivoyage's style advice on this. JTdale (talk) 17:29, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- per Wikivoyage:Naming conventions, it should be named as Huon and Far South though I am not quite sure on what is wrong with the & symbol. A quick test without the move didn't seem to cause any issues. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 20:45, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- Anyway, I forgot about the original banner change, but replaced. I guess the old banner can be used in Tasman and South-East SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:00, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- per Wikivoyage:Naming conventions, it should be named as Huon and Far South though I am not quite sure on what is wrong with the & symbol. A quick test without the move didn't seem to cause any issues. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 20:45, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- Additional question - should it be Huon and Far South or Huon & Far South? Not sure of Wikivoyage's style advice on this. JTdale (talk) 17:29, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- Legally, its administered by the Huon Valley Council, but I don't think anyone really thinks of it as a destination when planning a trip to the Huon Valley, so probably best to say in Subantarctic islands? JTdale (talk) 17:25, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- You made me look and now I actually see South East more often - Big 4 Caravan parks and Rediscover Tasmania both use that version; Tasman Council uses the term "South East" in its feasibility study for council amalgamation with Sorell. The regional employment authority is the South East Employment Hub and the local parish is the Anglican Parish of South East Tasmania. I only see the Tasman Gazette using South-East on its website, and no one using Southeast. JTdale (talk) 11:12, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Makes sense. Also to the naming of South-East, should it be South-East, or Southeast? I haven't seen a consistent naming here in New South Wales, but I'm only asking based on Southwest National Park and the locality of Southwest both of which use the one-word spelling rather than the two. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:46, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Addendum: A substantial part of the park is within Huon Valley and Derwent Valley councils too, which I feel supports the case. JTdale (talk) 10:34, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Hi SHB. Southwest National Park is an awkward situation I suppose - Melaleuca is the only area that has ever been substantially settled, and is now abandoned. It is only accessible via land by the Huon Valley, and the only tour flights depart Hobart, so I feel it is safe to leave it under Southern Tasmania. JTdale (talk) 10:32, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- I think any article (whether an extraregion or not) should be created for its own merits, not for saving a banner image. You know the area, so if you think that article makes sense, please go ahead. Whether or not it's created, I hope there could be a home for both images. Vidimian (talk) 13:07, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Ikan Kekek, Vidimian: To prevent the current from going to waste, shall we restore Special:PermaLink/2714864 as an extraregion so the current banner does not go to waste? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:00, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
- Banner 0 can be used if we end up regionalising this article and we end up creating a Tasman Peninsula article while banner 1 can also be used on Southwest National Park though it is not the most representative of that park. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:53, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with Ikan that either going to waste would be a shame, but there is something magical (or perhaps more magical) about 1. Vidimian (talk) 02:48, 19 March 2022 (UTC)