Possible follow-up: Ferries on the Black Sea? See [1].
Interesting for 2014 Sochi olympics. -- (WT-en) Eiland 06:27, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
See also User:DenisYurkin/List_of_Ferries
A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion
[edit]The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 18:37, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- Visible on the page and purely a Freedom of Panorama issue. The side of the ship shows Warner Bros. characters. Should we upload it locally? Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:17, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- We can't ignore this or it could be simply deleted. I won't make a unilateral decision on this. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:38, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Ikan Kekek: I Support uploading it locally. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 08:49, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- The banner might have a similar banner. As to the deletion request: while the artwork isn't de minimis, it is incidental in that the photo is of the ship, and the ship couldn't have been photographed without including the artwork (Carl Lindberg, a user on Commons very much knowledgable about copyright reasons along these lines). If the intention of the photograph (or of its use) is to show the artwork, then the incidental defence is moot (but fair use could apply). In this photo, I think the artwork is indeed incidental, so it shouldn't be deleted, but if it is, it should be uploaded locally. –LPfi (talk) 09:17, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- I think it takes up too much of the façade to be de minimis, and it's more difficult to upload locally after it's deleted, unless you'd like to be the one to volunteer to request temporary undeletion in that situation. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:35, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- Agree with LPfi that the artwork is incidental, however, since there is legit debate going on, it might behoove us to consider replacing the photo with another image that is less controversial. Mrkstvns (talk) 15:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- I don't like the idea that we should confine ourselves to "safe" images, thus biasing our representation of things. No problem in uploading the photo now that it is easier, as IK notes – but I can request temporary undeletion and upload later, if the photo indeed gets deleted. –LPfi (talk) 18:13, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
Talk:Ferries in the Mediterranean#A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion
[edit]No-one seems to be paying any attention to the fact that we are likely to lose a photo. We need to decide whether we're OK with that or not. I will not make a unilateral decision. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:07, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- Is it just me, or does it seem like too many photos have been getting removed lately? Mrkstvns (talk) 16:00, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- Has there been an uptick in deletion requests at Commons? Or are we just noticing them more, now that the notifications bot is working again? WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:08, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- As someone who was monitoring c:Commons:Deletion requests until the bot started working again, I think it's the latter. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:38, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- I hope this deletion can be resisted. Tirrenia ferries in 2017 made a deal with Warner Bros to plaster their ships' exteriors with cartoon characters such as Batman, to give them a jazzy attractive look. That deal continues and you really cannot take a photo of any T ferry without including the character: it's as integral to the ship as the company logo and the pointy bit at the front. The intention of any such photo is to portray the ship not replicate the character, and IMO it's a misuse of copyright law to claim we can't publish it copyfree. Grahamsands (talk) 18:51, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- Such arguments have been presented in the RFD on Commons, and I think that they are legally sound. However, "misuse of copyright law" is not what this is about. There is no word of God saying that utilitarian objects (in this case: the ship) can be freely photographed, and if the law says otherwise, Commons can do little about it. I think the current copyright laws are a disaster, caused by lobbyists and weak politicians, but that means that the copyright laws need to be changed (read: one should spread awareness of the absurdities), not that we can ignore current law. –LPfi (talk) 20:03, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- The Wikimedia Foundation requires that Commons files be available for unimpeded commercial use. They don't have to, and we don't have to, which is why we have a freedom of panorama fair use exception doctrine. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:10, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, true. For Commons, the stringency is because of their mission – they don't want to host content that cannot be used. All kinds of compromises are possible or even necessary, but commercial use, such as in small-budget books, is essential for their mission. In some cases, where copyright law is unclear, they could be a bit braver, but that's a separate issue. –LPfi (talk) 05:05, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- The Wikimedia Foundation requires that Commons files be available for unimpeded commercial use. They don't have to, and we don't have to, which is why we have a freedom of panorama fair use exception doctrine. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:10, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- Such arguments have been presented in the RFD on Commons, and I think that they are legally sound. However, "misuse of copyright law" is not what this is about. There is no word of God saying that utilitarian objects (in this case: the ship) can be freely photographed, and if the law says otherwise, Commons can do little about it. I think the current copyright laws are a disaster, caused by lobbyists and weak politicians, but that means that the copyright laws need to be changed (read: one should spread awareness of the absurdities), not that we can ignore current law. –LPfi (talk) 20:03, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- I hope this deletion can be resisted. Tirrenia ferries in 2017 made a deal with Warner Bros to plaster their ships' exteriors with cartoon characters such as Batman, to give them a jazzy attractive look. That deal continues and you really cannot take a photo of any T ferry without including the character: it's as integral to the ship as the company logo and the pointy bit at the front. The intention of any such photo is to portray the ship not replicate the character, and IMO it's a misuse of copyright law to claim we can't publish it copyfree. Grahamsands (talk) 18:51, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- As someone who was monitoring c:Commons:Deletion requests until the bot started working again, I think it's the latter. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:38, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- Has there been an uptick in deletion requests at Commons? Or are we just noticing them more, now that the notifications bot is working again? WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:08, 17 June 2025 (UTC)