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John Paul II
[edit]After a recent edit, we say that 'to this day John Paul II is highly revered in the country' (changed from 'widely'). I think the new wording means that he is highly revered by nearly all the population. Is that true, even among people grown up after he died (which would be all young people)? The dog2, have you recently been to Poland or what's your source? –LPfi (talk) 10:35, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- I suppose the political developments, partly with connection to religion (such as controversy about abortion), could have affected the view on the Church and also on John Paul II. The current paragraph says that his pontificate brought 'brief reprieve from this history' (what parts of it remains unclear), but nothing about how that was achieved. I think the paragraph (in History) should be rewritten. –LPfi (talk) 10:57, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oh, I thought it was a typo. "Highly revered" just seemed more idiomatic to me than "widely revered". The dog2 (talk) 13:38, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- OK. I hope somebody can rewrite the paragraph. I assume he was important and highly revered in the 1980s (gosh! was he elected pope already in 1978, I had the impression I remembered it), but I don't know what people think of him now. –LPfi (talk) 15:55, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- I will try to rewrite it a bit, John Paul II had nearly a cult of personality status since he became Pope, but especially after his death in 2005. Offending/criticising the pope was a taboo just 10 years ago and only recently there are some doubts about his role in Polish history, so pretty much he remains popular, just not that popular (or 'highly revered' if you wish). Krystian55 (talk) 21:53, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- "Highly revered" sounds really odd. "Widely revered" sounds more natural to me. Ground Zero (talk) 07:10, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- I've also never heard of "higly revered", only "widely revered". I suppose it's a region-specific thing maybe? --SHB (t | c | m) 07:13, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- "Highly revered" sounds really odd. "Widely revered" sounds more natural to me. Ground Zero (talk) 07:10, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- I will try to rewrite it a bit, John Paul II had nearly a cult of personality status since he became Pope, but especially after his death in 2005. Offending/criticising the pope was a taboo just 10 years ago and only recently there are some doubts about his role in Polish history, so pretty much he remains popular, just not that popular (or 'highly revered' if you wish). Krystian55 (talk) 21:53, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- OK. I hope somebody can rewrite the paragraph. I assume he was important and highly revered in the 1980s (gosh! was he elected pope already in 1978, I had the impression I remembered it), but I don't know what people think of him now. –LPfi (talk) 15:55, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oh, I thought it was a typo. "Highly revered" just seemed more idiomatic to me than "widely revered". The dog2 (talk) 13:38, 15 January 2025 (UTC)