User talk:Lumpytrout Voyage Tips and guide

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Welcome, thanks for your edits, and keep them coming! You can have a look at our manual of style and pages linked to it at your leisure, and you may also find it interesting and useful to check out the Wikivoyage: Travellers' Pub.

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:13, 5 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for your contributions! Per your user page and contribution history it looks like you're familiar with the greater Yellowstone region, so any updates or feedback on the Yellowstone National Park article would be much appreciated - that article has been a pet project of mine for some time, but could definitely benefit from additional eyes. -- Ryan • (talk) • 18:14, 7 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

You are doing a fantastic job on that and I've borrowed a few of your wordings already, really fantastic work should be a star article. I have not contributed because I'm intimidated! but I'm sure I will get down to it when I get a little braver. Lumpytrout (talk) 18:22, 7 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the updates! Given the quality of Yellowstone guides out there it will be a pretty high bar to get that article to star status, but I have nominated for destination of the month, so hopefully it can at least be featured on the main page at some point in the future. -- Ryan • (talk) • 19:47, 7 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Honestly, I love Yellowstone (my older brother was born in the park and my parents were married and lived in Mamoth) but I think its a bit over rated and way over used. Next time you head out there hit me up for some local hiking tips. There are a lot of crappy guide books also out there, wikivoyage might really be able to break the pattern of over commercialization of the area.Lumpytrout (talk) 20:02, 7 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Continuing thanks for all of your good work! Two comments that might be useful: section headers are typically capitalized, so in the Fox Island (Washington) article it would be "By car" and "By boat" - see Wikivoyage:Section headers#Capitalization and Wikivoyage:Article templates/Sections#Get in for details. Also, if you have a question on a talk page and don't get a response within a day, feel free to add a pointer to the discussion to Wikivoyage:Requests for comments#Articles to give it greater visibility.

I haven't had as much time as I'd like to edit here lately, but hopefully will find some time this weekend. -- Ryan • (talk) • 17:23, 16 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

oh cool, thanks. Obviously still learning but excited about the project. Lumpytrout (talk) 21:53, 16 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Just a quick note to say that it's great to see your continued edits - at the rate you're going most of the articles for Washington and Montana will have been rewritten before long. As always, if you have any questions please ask, and if you've got any suggestions for improving the site don't hesitate to suggest them - change can be slow around here, but a lot of times a new user sees something obvious that the longtime users overlook. -- Ryan • (talk) • 05:10, 18 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

I'm learning as much as I am sharing, I'm just happy to have a non commercial forum to share my knowledge. I struggle with fitting info into the appropriate standard format, so I've been posting some things with the hopes that I will be able to make better sense of it later. I do think that photos play a much more important role in wikivoyage than they do in wikipedia (or at least a very different role). Wikipedia is all about facts, transparency, supporting data etc. Wikivoyage is more poetic and its more about beauty. I have no doubt that this will eventually grow to become the standard that people reach for when traveling. --Lumpytrout (talk) 13:07, 18 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi again! I forgot to thank you for all your great contributions to this article! I suppose it's ok to take the style take off for now, but I just wanted to explain a bit-- wherever the full details of a listing are place, they should have the links to their official sites, but they should be formatted like this:

• <listing name="Good Example State Park" alt="" directions="" lat="" long="" address="" phone="" tollfree="" email="" fax="" url="http://www.example.com" hours="" price=""></listing>

Not like this:

• Bad Example State Park

Note also that the listings still need to be moved and simple summarized here with one-liners linking to the respective destination articles. For example, currently Belfair makes no mention of Belfair State Park. This listing should be moved to the Belfair article (along with its website link), and the listing in the region article should be reduced to a short description with a link to the Belfair article. The same can be said for moving the details of Fay Bainbridge State Park to the Bainbridge Island page, and on down the list.Texugo (talk) 20:32, 20 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Thanks again, I really am trying to fit the wikivoyage standard and I appreciate why it is in place, HOWEVER I've also discovered that there have to be a lot of exceptions to the rules and I think that this might be one of them. Some of the state parks will fit nicely into city articles like the ones you listed above (and I will make sure that they all get listed in the respective city articles), but others are not anywhere near a city and in fact don't even have a physical address. I think that it will really add value to the Kitsap Peninsula entry to have them all listed in one place. I live part time in this area and because it is divided by three different competing county governments nobody has ever compiled a list of all of the viable public parks in the area despite there being an obvious geographic connection. Lumpytrout (talk) 20:59, 20 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

You may already know this, but since you're doing some work on Olympic National Park it's worth noting that text from http://www.nps.gov/olym/index.htm is licensed under the public domain (unless otherwise noted) and can thus be copied into Wikivoyage articles, juts make sure you note in the edit summary that the text is "from nps.gov (public domain)". I've used the NPS site for much of the flora, fauna, geography, and climate information in articles I've edited. Hope that's useful! -- Ryan • (talk) • 21:51, 21 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Thanks, I'm not even sure if this is the best way to reply to this section, good to know about nps info, it has all been a lot of detective work. I sometimes find some clever wording in a wikivoyage article that I want to reuse only to discover the same wording later in a tourism website or some other copyrighted source so hopefully I'm not crossing any ethical or legal lines that I shouldn't be crossing. I try to use my own wording whenever possible but it seems silly to reinvent the wheel. Formatting to wikivoyage standard has been a pain, but I'm learning.Lumpytrout (talk) 22:04, 21 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

The Wikivoyage Barncompass

There is a long and confusing history of placing an image of a Barnstar on a user talk page to recognize good deeds, and in following that bizarre tradition I wanted to recognize the great work you're doing with articles about the Northwest US. You've done a great job of sorting things out, asking questions when necessary, and adding some really interesting travel content to the site, and it is greatly appreciated, even if we only have these crappy ways to recognize your hard work :) -- Ryan • (talk) • 04:10, 12 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

Thanks Ryan, there was a time in my life when I was racking up over a 100,000 frequent flyer miles a year and I would have had a much better and easier time if something like wikivoyage were around at that time. There was a time when I swore I would never go back to the San Juan Islands because they were so overcrowded with tourists, but someone took the time to show me the ropes and the secluded beauty of the off the beaten path treasures, I hope to pay it forward.--Lumpytrout (talk) 11:54, 12 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

I've also been monitoring your work through the Recent Changes, and think you're doing a stellar job! Much deserved, and keep up the great work. JamesA ^>talk 04:41, 12 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

Thanks James, I feel like I'm still learning the ropes but I think that Wikivoyage has the capability to really change how people travel and experience the world. --Lumpytrout (talk) 11:54, 12 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

I'd like to thank you as well. You have done a great deal of quality writing here, and the enthusiasm you bring is infectious. Texugo (talk) 12:00, 12 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

thanks Texugo! Its been as much about discovery as it has been about sharing. I've found a few great places already that were right under my nose thanks to Wikivoyage, I'm looking forward to sharing and discovering more. --Lumpytrout (talk) 12:17, 12 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

I'm late to the party, but whoa, great work on Pacific Northwest! Really great stuff. --Peter ^Talk 13:36, 1 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

Thanks Peter, I looked at your user page and it looks like you have not made it up my way yet, hope these edits help you out some day. I don't really feel like I'm doing that much, most of the info is out there already, I'm just trying to tie it all together in a poetic way that makes sense. Lumpytrout (talk) 12:35, 2 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

While filling commons:Category:Turn Point Lighthouse on Commons, I noticed that a couple of the images described as Turn Point have duplicates in commons:Category:Patos Island Lighthouse. I believe the following three are Patos Island:

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Can you help sort this out? Mrwojo (talk) 02:57, 17 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

oh wow, good catch. I confess that I visit many of the out islands and dump all my photos into a giant folder and try to sort it all out later (sometimes years later) and may have made a mistake. Thanks for catching that, I will track them all down. Lumpytrout (talk) 11:46, 17 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

you were of course correct, I was able to change the description and the category, but I'm not sure how to change the tile? Can you help me with that? Lumpytrout (talk) 12:00, 17 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

I put up three new ones that I'm sure are Stuart Island, sorry I guess its been a few years since I've been out there.

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Lumpytrout (talk) 12:19, 17 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

No worries! These are great photos. I've marked the two duplicates and the third for renaming, so eventually a Commons admin will come by and take care of them. Mrwojo (talk) 19:05, 17 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

Divided up well in what way? "Other Destinations" is parallel to "Cities" -- it's up to nine pointers to destination articles that aren't cities. "See" is for information on sightseeing, museums, and other attractions. There may be some overlap in Region articles, but they really serve different purposes. Unfortunately, we don't have any Star-status Region articles to point you to, but I think United States of America illustrates the difference between the two sections quite well. LtPowers (talk) 14:24, 2 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

Another way to look at it: "Other destinations" is a navigation aid; "See" is a content section. LtPowers (talk) 14:38, 2 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

I was hoping for something a little smaller and manageable than the United States, but I took a look at it and it is actually organized well. I will use that as a rough template. thanks. Lumpytrout (talk) 14:47, 2 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

New England looks to be fairly well organized as well, if that helps. The important thing to remember is that "Other destinations" is only for one-line links to non-city articles, while "See" is a regular content section like Eat, Drink, or Do. LtPowers (talk) 15:30, 2 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

Swept in from the pub

I was just looking at Glacier National Park and noticed the new header design. Is that being implemented everywhere? Lumpytrout (talk) 19:41, 7 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

See Wikivoyage:Banner Expedition for details. Banners have been implemented for all destinations in Austria and a handful of other locations, with the plan being to announce plans to deploy it site-wide once the remaining bugs are worked out. Wikivoyage talk:Banner Expedition has the latest discussions. -- Ryan • (talk) • 19:48, 7 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

It looks pretty good, I was just surprised. I'm looking forward to learning more. Lumpytrout (talk) 02:28, 8 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

I think the information should be in "Buy," a section that should be inserted just before "Eat." However, I'm not comfortable with it being by itself in Buy. So what other things should we recommend for people to consider buying in Colorado? Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:12, 23 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

hmmm, that is a good point, let me see what I can come up with. Lumpytrout (talk) 01:58, 24 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

I feel pretty good about how its treated in the Pacific Northwest section, but the Washington State article in general still needs a lot of work. I will try and figure that out and maybe develop Colorado as well while I'm at it. Lumpytrout (talk) 14:03, 24 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

	The Wikivoyage Barncompass
	This one is for your many pretty page banners. Danapit (talk) 14:33, 25 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

thanks! I enjoy making them. --Lumpytrout (talk) 15:55, 25 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hey, sorry for the slow reply—you caught me during a long weekend trip! The guidance for duplicate banners is at Wikivoyage:Banner Expedition#Usage, where I added in small print that you can check for duplicates using this tool. The tool isn't perfectly suited to our needs, but I think I've used it enough to find the last of the dupes ;) --Peter ^Talk 06:56, 17 July 2013 (UTC)Reply