Talk:Suriname Voyage Tips and guide

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I saw that this was added in an anonymous edit today. It looks like it lists embassies. Does wikivoyage habitually list them? I was under the impression that we don't, but I'm going to leave it as-is (except for maybe formatting it right) until I see some input or consensus. (WT-en) Jordanmills 17:55, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

Per Project:Where you can stick it, embassies go in the Cope section of the cities they are in. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 18:37, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

How shall we divide the regions of Suriname? I think it's quite hard as the inland areas are barely visited. I think a split of the west side of the coast and the east side of the coast could be a good idea. (WT-en) globe-trotter 18:01, 1 January 2010 (EST)

I think the two best ways of dividing the country up in one's travel mind are inland v. coast and Paramaribo area v. everything else (more than half of the country's population is in the capital!). It would be hard for us to capture both of those divisions without creating tiny, empty articles, though, so I'd suggest we do Inland Suriname (1,6,9), Northeast Suriname (2,4,7,10), and Northwest Suriname (3,5,8). (Numbers correspond to districts here.) Virtually all the population will be covered in the northeast article—the Nickerie District in the northwest does have the country's second largest city, Nieuw Nickerie... of 13,000 people.

We don't really need to create these regions yet, but if we do, we can feel confident that we will not need to create further subdivisions, I think, for this small country. --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 10:39, 4 January 2010 (EST)

You're right, I was thinking exactly the same. For now we only have articles for three towns, and two of them outlines... (WT-en) globe-trotter 10:51, 4 January 2010 (EST)

I finished the Suriname map, please let me know what you think=) --(WT-en) globe-trotter 10:35, 15 January 2010 (EST)

Looks good! --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 11:16, 15 January 2010 (EST)

Good job GT. You are rattling maps out very quickly at the moment. Great to see. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 11:46, 15 January 2010 (EST)

This is probably the only map of Wikivoyage that listed every village of over 1000 inhabitants in the whole country! (with the exception of Mariënburg, which is basically a suburb of Paramaribo). --(WT-en) globe-trotter 11:56, 15 January 2010 (EST)

I believe there is no longer a direct flight to Suriname from Cayanne? There is AFAIK no official transportation directly from Cayene (or anywhere in French-Guyana) to Suriname. 80.238.1.134 12:21, 12 September 2011 (EDT)

Indeed, I can't find any direct flights to French Guyana, or to Aruba, for that matter. I deleted those, thanks for the information! Next time, feel free to push the edit button above the article and change the information yourself. 12:50, 12 September 2011 (EDT)

I currently see a variety of price formats in this article:

14 SRD, 14 srd, SRD 14, srd 14, SRD12, SRD 10,-

Should we use the standard default format of SRD12 for a price expressed in Surinamese dollars or use some other format? --W. Frank^e-mail_talk 01:40, 29 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

I'm not sure it's useful for travellers to have [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Suriname&diff=2416216&oldid=2414709#Cities two separate listings in our "Suriname" article that pipe to the same article.

I've removed the second pipe, but another alternative would be to remove the second listing of Wageningen (Suriname) ?

Which do you think is best?

You know much more about this country than I do. --W. Frank^email_talk 16:51, 13 September 2013 (UTC)Reply

Nieuw Nickerie as well as Wageningen are important cities is Suriname. But these cities are to small for separate content. That is the reason I merged them in Nickerie district that (maybe) can expanded later with other information of that region. I think that the reference to the city Wageningen as wel as to the city Nieuw Nickerie must remain as my article of Nickerie district informs about both cities.

The number of city references is 10 which is 1 too many. I suggest to move Brokopondo to Other destinations as with Brokopondo not that settlement is meant but the Brokonpodo lake which is a popular tourist destination.

If you agree I will undo your change and move Brokopondo. Okay? WiDi (talk) 20:08, 13 September 2013 (UTC)Reply

If you wish to stick to a rigid limit of 9 settlements in this section, then I would suggest giving Wageningen (which is by no stretch of the imagination a "city" in any variety of English other than American) a mention in the Nieuw Nickerie entry.

What I don't think we can do is leave "Wageningen" as a piped hyperlink that leads to the exact same article as the piped "Nieuw Nickerie" entry, that would be a fraud perpetrated on our readers. --W. Frank^email_talk 17:20, 15 September 2013 (UTC)Reply

We don't have to stick to the 7+2 rule, when there are no districts. I don't really like the idea of dividing this sparsely inhabited country into districts ;-) One option I think would be okay from a traveller's point of view, would be to link to the relevant sub-section of the Nickerie district article. What do you think? JuliasTravels (talk) 18:26, 15 September 2013 (UTC)Reply

Judgement of Solomon. Go for it if nobody else objects. --W. Frank^email_talk 18:33, 15 September 2013 (UTC)Reply

I suggest to implement the region classification that (WT-en) Peter ^Talk and (WT-en) globe-trotter previously in this discussion proposed. That is a total of 4 articles that will cover fully Suriname: Suriname, Inland Suriname, Northeast Suriname and Northwest Suriname. I cannot (or don't know how to) rename Nickerie to Nortwest Suriname. Can someone do that for me then I will adapt and expand the contents. WiDi (talk) 12:23, 16 September 2013 (UTC)Reply

I really don't think we should start with regions, when the country article is still a real outline and many of the main destinations are red links, only to avoid an extra village or two in the "cities" list. This conversation started over two of those towns pointing to the same article, because, in your words: these cities are to small for separate content. Do you think then, that there's enough content right now to fill 4 region articles? Our hierarchy policy also says:

"Sometimes it may be better to keep things together rather than subdividing further.(..) Geographical unit articles need to meet the criteria for articles too. There should be enough scope in the article to have at least 4 or 5 good quality destinations or attractions, especially for regions."

Particularly the last part, I wonder about. Do we now have some 16 or 20 good quality destinations or attractions, making a division in 4 worthwhile? If not, I suggest we are just a bit more creative in the country article. We want to avoid long lists, but we could choose to have two lists instead of one, for towns. We could do an extra header with under it a list of Villages, separating the larger towns from the small places, or divide the cities list in one for the coast and one for the backland or something like that. And if some day in the future we actually do have enough information to fill up useful region articles, we can always do that then. JuliasTravels (talk) 14:54, 16 September 2013 (UTC)Reply

I think you're right. In fact I hate the sections 'Get in', 'Eat', 'Drink' for small destinations. I visited this wonderful country last month and I think most places I visited can be described in the main article Suriname. I think Paramaribo deserves it's own article. Shall I give it a try and insert my Nickerie information in a brief way in Suriname? We can evaluate it later. WiDi (talk) 19:43, 16 September 2013 (UTC)Reply

That's an option. Alternatively, you could rename your Nickerie article (which looks good!) to Nieuw Nickerie and only remove the bits of information that don't apply to it. Nickerie is big enough to have an article, I remember also there were relatively many hotels and so, right? We'd then only have to find a new home for the 2 Wageningen listings and a few sentences perhaps. I'm not sure if it's allowed to have listings in the country article, actually... JuliasTravels (talk) 21:31, 16 September 2013 (UTC)Reply

Although I have never visited Surinam/e, I do know that it was officially known as Surinam for more than 300 years until 23 Jan 1978 when the official name listed with the UN was changed from Surinam to Suriname. It's still pronounced (and known as) Surinam in the English language, so I've added a note in the lede about the current English pronunciation. Obviously because English (unlike French with l'académie française) has no institutional arbiter of words, meanings, nomenclature or pronunciation that common usage may change but, right now, in a similar continuing act of linguistic imperialism/laziness analogous to Munich or Venice or Vienna it's Surinam when native English speakers talk about Suriname. --W. Frank^email_talk 13:47, 7 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

I don't see a reason why we wouldn't add a note about common pronunciations. Seems fine to me. JuliasTravels (talk) 13:58, 7 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

User:JuliasTravels and User:WiDi try to restructure the Suriname articles. For this, temporarily sandboxes are made under User :WiDi.

User:WiDi/sandbox/Northeast_Suriname

User:WiDi/sandbox/Northwest_Suriname

User:WiDi/sandbox/Innland_Suriname

If we think it's a success, we will first discuss it here before implementation. --WiDi (talk) 08:46, 20 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

Looks good so far. Are you going to put Paramaribo under Northeast Suriname? As it is a region in itself, about half of the country's population lives there, is as far as I've understood a traffic hub for the whole country, a large share of the sights in Suriname is located there and its article is in a quite good shape, I would suggest putting Paramaribo directly under Suriname as the fourth region. ϒpsilon (talk) 09:16, 20 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

That is what we intend. In total 5 articles. Suriname, Paramaribo and the 3 regions. --WiDi (talk) 09:31, 20 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

With the only difference that we are for-seeing the 3 regions, plus the country-article for Suriname and the city-article for Paramaribo. As it is a national capital and indeed a city, I don't think we should make it a fourth "region", but we can just include any sights in the direct surroundings and link the further away ones. If you're referring to the breadcrumb, sure, we could leave it directly under Suriname but putting it under Northeast should be fine as well: I don't think it makes much of a difference in this case for travellers, right? Or am I missing something? JuliasTravels (talk)

PS: if someone would like to join the conversation on how these destination-collections should look, please see User talk:WiDi/sandbox/Northeast Suriname. I think the traditional region article might not be all ideal, would it be acceptable to be creative or perhaps even create a new template for these situations? JuliasTravels (talk) 10:30, 20 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

Yes, I was referring to the breadcrumb. Also, I suggest that Paramaribo would get its own "entry" in the Regions section of Suriname. ϒpsilon (talk) 11:50, 20 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

Sure, if it can keep its city format as an article. I wonder how to handle the country layout anyway. I think we might want to lose the whole "cities"-list and replace it with the regions list and per region a short introduction and a mention of the main towns. Otherwise, all the listed cities will take people to the same 3 or 4 articles. JuliasTravels (talk) 13:44, 20 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

We've plunged ahead and moved our experiment to main space. Have a look at the results so far and feel free to edit them. We've now made Paramaribo a separate "region" mention, although it should get its own colour at some point. We also need to decide if and how to mention the other towns in the main Suriname article, as they don't have their own articles but only entries in the region articles. Should we mention them in the region description? Or restore the Cities and Other Destinations lists in plain text (not links)? JuliasTravels (talk) 21:37, 23 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

Looks really good. For the cities/towns/villages; how would it sound to you to restore the Cities and Other Destinations lists, and then redirect the cities etc. to the areas where they are located. I notice that places mentioned in the text are already treated in this way. Personally I'd like to move the consulates out from the Suriname article - other countries' embassies in Suriname into Paramaribo and Surinamese embassies elsewhere into the cities where they are located. Ps. the lurking cayman picture in the West Coast article is pretty cool! ϒpsilon (talk) 12:08, 25 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

- JuliasTravels had already proposed it. I will restore them.

- I agree with your consulates proposal.

- The cayman picture is a still from my video camera. It was beyond expectation sharp so I've uploaded it to commons. Thanks. --WiDi (talk) 14:28, 25 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

Great work on Suriname! Some really good information added to it. I do think the layout of the sections need to be changed if we want it to be the first country to feature as DotM. "Cities/Towns" and "Other destinations" are only used for navigation links, but shouldn't have any content. We could move the information to a "See & Do" section, with the restaurants and hotels moved to Eat and Sleep.

About the country article, I think the "Cities" and "Other destinations" sections can be removed completely. Here too, these sections are mainly used for navigation, but all navigation can already be done via the Regions section, similar to Barbados. I have given Paramaribo its own color on the map now, and made some improvements to the map. Globe-trotter (talk) 18:59, 5 September 2014 (UTC)Reply

The current banner do not respect the 7:1 ratio. Can it be adjusted (possibly as a revision and not as a new file)? --Andyrom75 (talk) 12:28, 13 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

Resized the image to 2100 x 300 pixels. --WiDi (talk) 11:15, 14 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

Article currently states "A small airfield located further from Paramaribo". Assume incorrect as Wikipedia and Google Maps places it in the city. --Traveler100 (talk) 07:07, 3 January 2018 (UTC)Reply

Below is a proposed infobox to let readers know which formatting conventions to use in Wikivoyage articles. Do you agree with these proposals? If you have direct knowledge of what is most commonly used in the country, please let us know. Ground Zero (talk) 16:57, 9 December 2019 (UTC)Reply

Moved to the top of this article. Ground Zero (talk) 12:44, 28 December 2019 (UTC)Reply

Right now, there's 10, and per wv:7+2, one needs to go. Unfortunately, I don't know much about Suriname, so I would defer to anyone who knows the country better. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:42, 15 June 2022 (UTC)Reply