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Hi there! I have answered your question here. Texugo (talk) 11:13, 6 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi Andyrom75, I'm not sure what you mean with your question. Looking at the common.js file on it:voy, do you mean importing CSS from another location into common.css (kind of like the importScript commands in common.js)? I know you can have different CSS files and import them to a web page (e.g., one of our destination guides), but I'm not sure if you can import another CSS style sheet into common.css. Unfortunately, I don't really know much CSS beyond the basics and what I can read on-line. -Shaundd (talk) 04:35, 20 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

I'm hesitant to say it can't be done. There were many times when I was working on the banners and I thought that something couldn't be done... and then someone figured out how to do it the next day or a few days later! Ryan and Torty3 know some CSS -- they might know if what you suggested is possible. Cheers -Shaundd (talk) 04:48, 21 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Well, I've read about importing CSS through Javascript, but a @import at the start of Mediawiki:Common.css might also work. Something like the following was suggested by [1] and [2]. Even the main Wikipedia maintains all its CSS in one file though, and all three of these solutions seem equally messy to me, especially with non-wiki background. If you do get it working in it.wv, maybe we could do the same here (though have to ask an admin to edit the css and js files). -- torty3 (talk) 09:43, 21 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

@import url('http://it.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css/example.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css');
// maybe shorter version will work? 
@import url('MediaWiki:Common.css/example.css);

Hi, Andy. Can I ask what you intended to do with this edit? Removing the underscore actually doesn't change anything (since the underscore was never displayed). And if you were going to change it, I'd have thought you'd update it to point to the correct article title (Buffalo). Am I missing something? LtPowers (talk) 23:26, 22 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

I think it's fine to correct if you're editing other things on the page, but it's not really worth editing the page just to fix that, especially when the link is piped anyway. =) Thanks for taking the time to respond. LtPowers (talk) 01:46, 24 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

I don't know if anything else is in development, it's probably just we're all distracted by other things. Is it as simple as copying those two lines into the common.js file? I can do it tonight, but don't want to do it right now because I'm going to be busy all day and if something goes wrong I won't be around to support it. Thanks for the patch, it's good to have so many people who know JS and CSS around! -Shaundd (talk) 16:00, 23 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi Andy, see now the map of Crete. I've added that major road which you were talking about, run along the coastline. --Saqib (talk) 18:05, 14 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

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Ciao! Would you have any comments about how to districtify our Milan article? ϒpsilon (talk) 19:39, 13 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

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	This one was a long overdue Andy. In appreciation to your brilliant work for Italian Wikivoyage as well for giving your precious time for us at English Wikivoyage. Happy travels and happy editing! Keep up your great work. Saqib (talk) 22:52, 15 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

Thank you so much Saqib! :-) --Andyrom75 (talk) 23:01, 15 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

I would gladly update it, but I do not even know how to do it :( PrinceGloria (talk) 16:08, 13 April 2015 (UTC)Reply

PrinceGloria, it's easier than you think :-)

Click on "Wikidata item" link that you find on the left sidebar of each article to update the value in it.

While the procedure to create a new Wikidata instance needs few steps more:

1. The same of previous point
2. Unlink the en:voy article, deleting its presence
3. go to d:Special:NewItem to create a new one and add en:voy article in that instance ... this step can be made in so many way; maybe this one is not the fastest but it's the first one that has comes up into my mind :)

Anothre tipical mistake that I usually see in en:voy is to overwrite an old map with a new one. This provokes inconsistencies in the other language versions that use that map. The correct procedure is to create a new map, and change the map reference in the en:voy article. Please put an eye on it when you see map changes. A good coolaborative approach could include, to leave a message on the other international talk page stating that a new map/division is available.

Sorry for bothering with this quite verbose answer :-P but I've noticed that you are often involved in region definition, so maybe all these information may be useful for you. --Andyrom75 (talk) 16:59, 13 April 2015 (UTC)Reply

This information sure is! Thank you so much! It will take some time for me to digest it and test it, but as I like all kinds of housekeeping that makes things more orderly I will get down to it. As regards map, I am not the one who usually makes those but rather I make others make them :D , but I find it bad practice to overwrite previous maps unless the changes are cosmetic. I will try to remember to point that out to the kind and selfless mapmakers out there. PrinceGloria (talk) 18:07, 13 April 2015 (UTC)Reply

Hi Andyrom75, a new map is up for Oregon now. Hopefully you think it looks better than the old one! :-) Cheers, Shaundd (talk) 04:08, 29 August 2015 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, the Oregon Coast region is a bit hard to see. I'll adjust the colours a bit to make it more distinct.

The name, arrow and scale aren't standard (and neither are the colours). It's part of some experimenting I'm doing with the maps to see what can be done to make them more readable (looking at the the WCAG guidelines, in particular colour contrast), and also a bit of what simple things can be done to differentiate them from the other travel web site. I'm aiming to pull it all together and make some suggestions for maps going forward. -Shaundd (talk) 05:44, 30 August 2015 (UTC)Reply

Hi Andyrom75, I'll take a look at Delaware in a bit. I don't have much free time these days and there are a number of other things I'm trying to do so I want to space map work out a bit. I like drawing maps but they take time (even just adding roads and cities to existing maps)! Cheers -Shaundd (talk) 05:41, 3 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

Hi, I see the growing list of US states you're leaving on my page! I think there's actually 10-12 state maps that are in that really old format. I'm still trying to focus on non-map things, but how about I add the cities (I think that's the most important detail missing) and it's usually an easy edit to do. -Shaundd (talk) 23:04, 21 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

No worries, I like the way you made the list. I'll see what I can do over the next 2-3 weeks. -Shaundd (talk) 18:12, 22 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

BTW - the Rhineland-Palatinate map was tweaked a bit a couple of weeks back. English WV created a new region in the north-east called North-East Rhineland-Palatinate that covers the portions of Westerwald and the Lahn Valley that lie within Rhineland-Palatinate. I noticed it:voy uses the same map, but it looks like you only have one region in that area anyway (Westerwald) so the only difference is the region name. -Shaundd (talk) 18:22, 22 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

Hi there, happy news -- one map down (Tennessee) and a couple more are in progress! I didn't realize those maps were PNG files only, so I've rebuilt them from scratch with a SVG. -Shaundd (talk) 05:57, 1 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

Great news! Not just happy :-P I've implemented the first map into it:voy. I'll look forward for the others :-P PS Clearly you have done an excellent job ;-) --Andyrom75 (talk) 13:46, 1 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

Another map down -- Alabama is up now! -Shaundd (talk) 07:31, 13 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

Excellent! Just implemented on it:voy too. --Andyrom75 (talk) 08:26, 13 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

Hi there, finally got another map up... it was Mississippi's turn this time. Cheers -Shaundd (talk) 06:26, 6 March 2016 (UTC)Reply

Thanks! Also it:Mississippi now has the new map :-) --Andyrom75 (talk) 08:53, 6 March 2016 (UTC)Reply

Ciao, Andyrom75... Thanks for replying to my comments on my talk page. I have responded here and here on the listing editor talk page. Peter Chastain (talk) 06:09, 29 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

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Ciao, Andyrom75! I noticed that there is (apparently) no equivalent to Wikivoyage:What is an article in it.voy. I think that's probably one of the reasons for the creation of articles like it:Un salto... tra le carte di un archivio, it:Un salto... nelle ere geologiche, it:Un salto... nella Esino del Novecento and it:Un salto... tra cucina e telaio. All but the second article were also created on en.voy as translations of the Italian-language articles and promptly triggered objections that these are not true articles, as defined on this site, but lengthy extensions of the listing for an attraction plus a lot of encyclopedic content that is not relevant to the kind of travel guide en.voy is. I'm not sure what standards you aspire to for it.voy; I do know that when I travelled in Tuscany in the 1990s, I used the guides for Tuscany and Firenze e Dintorni by Automobile Club Italiano, which as you might know have no hotel or restaurant listings but provide detailed essays on the history of all the arts in the area and identify and inform the reader about every building on every block of every town and the name and artist for every artwork on every wall of every church. Perhaps at it.voy, you aspire to create a guide more like that. But if you haven't read what is an article already, have a look and see if it might include useful guidelines for it.voy as well. I'd be glad to discuss this more with you and would offer to help translate the article, if you like, but I think your English is probably a good deal better than my Italian.

Buon giorno,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:15, 22 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Hi Ikan, I'm always proud when someone tell me about their travel to Tuscany and Florence :-P, that said, let's talk about your point. The various "Un salto..." article, do not respect only the standard of en:voy but also do not respect the one of it:voy as well.

Those articles want to be an itinerary, so there is an higher flexibility on their contentes. However, the only reason why I haven't changed them (to not say delete) is because those pages has been created by the volunteer of Wikimania 2016 in Esino Lario, and will be used during this happening.

Once finished, I'll take care of those articles. I've already informed one of the key player of Wikimania 2016 about several issues: the title, the structure and the content.

The only article that I've deleted multiple times and "title-blocked" is one that has been written only in English, that really doesn't make any sense.

Let's keep in touch in July and I'll tell you how we'll solve this "issue" on it:voy. Thanks for highlighting it. --Andyrom75 (talk) 06:39, 23 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

I understand. And there are several genuine itinerary articles about hikes that are duly linked from it:Esino Lario and Esino Lario on this site, alike. Which article was written only in English? You might be interested in what steps have already been taken with the "Un salto" articles on en.voy. First, there was "Exploring... an archive". See Talk:Archivio Pietro Pensa and the article's history. Second, Talk:Exploring esino in the last century details a situation which is probably almost resolved, after I moved content I considered relevant to the listing for the Via Crucis in the Esino article. Finally, there is Talk:Exploring cookery and tapestry, which is still problematic because I do not know where the nursery/kindergarten is or how to find out, so I'm not sure how to create a listing for it and mention that tapestries will be on view in its theatre. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:00, 23 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Hi there.

Did you take part in the discussion of adding the "content" description of POI of WV articles into the downloadable GPX files?

I started a new discussion here: Template talk:GPX indicator#Template broken, because it seems this addition broke the XML conformity of these GPX files, making the functionality useless to navigation apps like OSMand.

Could you help resolving this issue?

Cheers, Ceever (talk) 19:03, 13 October 2017 (UTC)Reply

Hi, and thanks for all the work you do! Small thing, maybe, but you deleted another user's post here. To my knowledge, that's against policy, and it's certainly against practice on this site. What you should do instead is leave the post up and type "Done". Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:56, 11 July 2020 (UTC)Reply

Ikan Kekek, thanks for highlight it to me. By the way, my interpretation of those paragraph was a sort of "to do list" and since not needed I've removed them to avoid that along the years the list will become less readable.

Maybe another approach, if we want to keep track of them, could be to create another section with name like "implemented requested feature". What do you think?

PS "Wikivoyage:Listing editor" is not a talk page, the talk page is "Wikivoyage talk:Listing editor". In this second page I agree with you that is not correct to delete other users posts. --Andyrom75 (talk) 10:07, 11 July 2020 (UTC)Reply

I see. It looked like a talk page to me because it had a post on it. Nevermind! Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:39, 11 July 2020 (UTC)Reply

Hi, can you add the Esperanto Wikivoyage to Template:Wikivoyagelang as it was created today. Thanks --Nintendofan885 (talk) 16:07, 15 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

Done. Nintendofan885 --Andyrom75 (talk) 17:08, 15 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Andyrom75: Can you also add the Shan Wikivoyage (shn) as it was created today --Nintendofan885 (talk) 20:21, 23 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

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@Andyrom75: any chance you saw the issue I raised regarding the Listing Editor in the Travelers Pub or on the Listing Editor talk? I'm reaching out as it appears you have worked on or supported the Listing Editor and the need right now is disabling of the coordinate sync to Wikidata if a reference is present and adding a comment when syncs do occur. I provided an example one edit related to the issue on Wikidata and the cause is merely syncing of coordinates to Wikidata statements with existing references. The secondary problem is in tracking down these edits since the Listing Editor doesn't add a comment to the edit that is uniformly identifiable the Listing Editor not the user made the edit on Wikidata to track down any issues. Anyway, hope you can help or might know who can. Wolfgang8741 (talk) 01:50, 2 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

Wolfgang8741, sorry but for at least 1/1,5 month I'm not able to follow up this issue. I don't know if User:RolandUnger can support. --Andyrom75 (talk) 06:19, 2 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

I am wondering that this issue is discussed only now. The sync tool is a quick-and-dirty one. On the one hand, it is not necessary to make a sync into the wiki: this can be done by the listing script itself (the German listing editor is also showing which values are available at Wikidata). And the sync into Wikidata causes many difficulties which cannot easily be solved by a script. That's why such a tool was not implemented at the German Wikivoyage (by the way, German Wikivoyage analyses about 50 Wikidata properties, not only five)! And I would propose to the English Wikivoyage community to remove this tool.

About one year ago I added the Wikidata support for hours to the listing script. At this time I made an analysis how to bring human written hours into the database: The result was that only in a few cases such an export would succeed. In most cases the interpreter would fail. But there are other problems: if there is already a value in Wikidata you had to answer if the new value is better and should substitute that in Wikidata or if it is an additional one (of course, in case of a coordinate it makes no sense to have an additional one). But this simple question cannot be solved by a script or an unexperienced author. On the other hand, a referenced value ("import from a Wikipedia") can be wrong, too. And there are so many other problems: addresses are multilingual values but maybe the script does not know the language. Maybe there are several email addresses or phone numbers (like +12 345678 (lobby), +12 456789 (bar)) then the question arise how to bring these data with qualifiers to Wikidata.

I know the problem that Wikidata is a completely different project which should be brought into the wikis. But this had to be done by the Wikidata programmers and not by the small Wikivoyage communities. --RolandUnger (talk) 08:08, 2 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

I undid your removal of the banner on Gomez Palacio. Although you are correct that it is a poor quality image with low resolution, it is better than no banner at all. *PLEASE* find a better quality image and *REPLACE* the existing banner. Do not just remove them. Thank you. Mrkstvns (talk) 16:51, 28 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

I found another image that I think will work as a pagebanner. Take a look and see if you think this is an improvement. Regards, Mrkstvns (talk) 17:01, 28 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Mrkstvns, sorry but policies are not negotiable. Also your new banner will be removed because it doesn't respect the minimum acceptable resolution (1.800 px) although it would be better to have as minimum 2.100 px as already explained in my first removal comment.

See here for more details. Andyrom75 (talk) 18:24, 28 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Please don't be a jerk. The new image was not of horrible resolution, though I admit I didn't check to see that it conforms to the letter of the policy. Instead of being traveler-hostile and just deleting peoples work, have the courtesy to leave a note on their Talk page and give them time to fix things. Regressing to a less useful state by simply removing things based on your pedantic adherence to "standards" is ***NOT*** useful to a traveler and is rudely discourteous to other editors. Mrkstvns (talk) 18:32, 28 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Mrkstvns, unfortuntely this is the admin role: read the policy, teach the policy and let the policy be respected, although it's anarchy.

That said, at the end you did it, you should be proud of yourself now.

If I may add a last advice: try to not be rude ;-) Andyrom75 (talk) 17:57, 30 January 2024 (UTC)Reply