Talk:Haiti Voyage Tips and guide

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Does any one have information on the safety of the ubiquitous "bag-o-water"? I have found the cold drink to be much more refreshing than my (nearly immediately warm) bottles. Further, any one know about the pop that is sold in smaller unlabeled bottles? How bout the freezies? Can it be assumed that those in labelled bags are safe? (A saint Marc Bakery also sells freezies to vendors, and their operation seems to be quite clean, but I don't know about in other cities).

--> my guess is that there's little difference between the contents of the bagged water and the locally produced bottles.

--> Our U.S. teams which travel to Haiti regularly drink the "bag-o-water" and our guides, which are overly cautious about the purity of food and water, consider it safe. Only rarely does someone get a case of the "Haitian Happiness" and there is no reason to suspect the water bags as the source.

(This part seems to be from 2007 or so. Should this be deleted? --(WT-en) Jaakkoh 14:16, 16 October 2011 (EDT))

Could we get some citations on that? It's possible that the situation has changed dramatically in just the past couple years. Traveling with people who are from here or know the lay of the land (what I'm doing) seems relatively safe.

--> The safety warning is out of date and quite inflammatory. Our many friends throughout the country say the last 12 to 18 months have seen levels of safety and security they have not seen in many, many years. Clearly, there are areas you would want to avoid, but you could say the same thing of New York City and Los Angeles. To discourage travel to the country as a whole, especially with the current improved situations, is not reasonable.

Here are a couple of citations with opinions and statements about the security situation:

   http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070720.wxhaiti20/BNStory/National
   http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/Article.aspx?id=937

I'm sure you know better than us, so plunge forward! For starters, I've moved to warning down to Stay safe and toned it down a bit. (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:00, 19 August 2007 (EDT)

--> Most countries still advise against ALL but essential travel to Haiti, so the warning is still relevant until further notice. (WT-en) Impulsion 16:45, 18 December 2007 (EDT)

--> I agree that the banner is not only inflammatory but patently false. Although, many countries still have warnings against "unnecessary travel" to Haiti, "looting, intermittent roadblocks set by armed gangs, violent crime including kidnapping, car-jacking, and assault" are in no way commonplace like the banner says.

There have been new cautions or warnings from both Canada and USA, reported here http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/12/29/haiti-travel-warning-advisory.html - I've put the cautionbox back into "stay safe" but indicated the warnings were 2012 vintage and linked to the originals on the off chance that the situation changes in some future year. K7L (talk) 17:09, 29 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

I'm about to start researching as I create a map, but if anyone else has ideas, they would be much appreciated! --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 12:28, 24 July 2011 (EDT)

I am sure you will have found the UN Haiti Map already Peter. Massive amount of time to be saved by using the paths from that map I think.

On the region split, I know next to nothing about Haiti so can't really help. Looking at the 10 departments, I can see an obvious two way region split, but have no grasp of whether that would make any sense to the traveler. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 12:51, 24 July 2011 (EDT)

It looks like North, Central, and South make the most sense, but the departments don't make for a very clean division between North and Central. I'll mock up a map based on the Arrondissement boundaries. --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 15:10, 24 July 2011 (EDT)

There's a box at the top of the article about an October 2016 hurricane. Should that now be updated or removed? Pashley (talk) 21:58, 30 July 2017 (UTC)Reply

Swept in from the pub

Please see here for the discussion. I think this deserves more eyeballs. Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:58, 8 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

Thank you Hobbitschuster (talk) for putting this over here. Yes, please more view points would be great. Specially from anyone that has been to Haiti in the past 3 years. Developing countries change quickly and it's not fair to have a label stick for life. This is not the mainstream media, we should be more in tune with what represents a travelers interest, not a political narrative. The very nature of a travel wiki is that unlike a guidebook from 2001 it can be updated ;) and updated again if the situations changes!
J-wonder (talk) 00:18, 9 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

This really should be moved to Talk:Haiti with the inbound link from Wikivoyage:Requests for comment instead of misusing one user's personal talk page for this sort of community discussion. K7L (talk) 03:06, 9 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

certainly not Talk:Haiti as the blurb is to be found at Caribbean. I also don't understand how contacting a user who reverted a change via their talk page counts as "misusing" said talk page. Hobbitschuster (talk) 06:18, 9 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

In that case, Talk:Caribbean is the appropriate venue and pointers to discussions go in Wikivoyage:Requests for comment. K7L (talk) 14:29, 9 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

well regardless of where the discussion is had can anybody please address the issue. Not even User:Ibaman who made the initial revert has said why he thinks it justified. I don't think this is a good way to deal with a good faith newbie editing articles on an area where our coverage is lacking. And I can see the argument that Haiti's poverty might not be the most salient feature for a blurb. But apparently nobody wants to actually discuss this, instead we ate wasting time about which talk page this does or does not belong on. Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:11, 9 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

• For the record, when I reverted said edit, I wrote on the summary "rv per Be fair. Haiti is indeed very poor and still very much wrecked by the natural disasters. Whitewashing the situation is not fair." The usual news that come to me from Haiti are mostly about the UN peacekeeping force, that has a significant presence of Brazilian Army men. I have the opinion that, from the Wikivoyager's point of view, this is a fair viewing of the facts on the ground, and therefore justified, even if not wholly compliant to our WV:Avoid negative reviews and WV:Tone policies. And I must say I'm glad the community is concerned, and actively discussing the issue, with the sole intention of building the online travel guide of superior quality. Ibaman (talk) 13:39, 14 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

I think the one about hurricanes may be outdated & the other one may need editing. As violent protests continue over gas prices, U.S. airlines cancel all flights to Haiti Saturday Pashley (talk) 18:33, 9 July 2018 (UTC)Reply

I don't think that Haiti has recovered from the earthquake, so I doubt that normal service has been restored since the hurricane. The Canadian warning is verbatim what the Canadian government said. If there are other government warnings, please add them. Ground Zero (talk) 21:18, 9 July 2018 (UTC)Reply

This is in "Other destinations". It sounds like a place visitors, unless they are with a relief organization, should avoid, and certainly not a destination. Any objections to removing it from the list? Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:15, 3 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

• Not at all. Ibaman (talk) 15:49, 3 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

OK, but you just reverted the latest edit; you didn't remove the listing. I'll do that, and then if anyone objects, just post here. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:55, 3 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

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