User talk:PerryPlanet Voyage Tips and guide

Hello, PerryPlanet! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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Thanks! PerryPlanet (talk) 01:30, 6 October 2012 (CEST)

Welcome back to the community. Your mop and bucket are waiting for you (i.e., I have enabled your administrator privileges). LtPowers (talk) 05:06, 6 October 2012 (CEST)

PerryPlanet, it's great to see you here, and doing good edits, as usual! Just one point of style: External links should not be front-linked, such as you did for attractions in the "Pittsburgh Region" section of "Get out" in the Pittsburgh article. Please have a look here for standard format for external links: [1]. All the best, (WV-en) Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:58, 12 October 2012 (CEST)

Hey John, I made a map for your New Mexico Pueblos article, and nominated it for dotm! How does the map look? --Peter ^Talk 04:44, 1 November 2012 (CET)

Hey, Perry. You might want to consider leaving in the WTP stuff -- at least some of it. At some point we'll be needing to find a way to designate certain material as unprintworthy, and retaining the established signifiers in articles that had WTP editions could be useful to that end. LtPowers (talk) 01:29, 15 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

I responded on my talk page. I'd love to see some editors work on the Portland, Oregon page and ideally have it promoted to quality status. If you have other thoughts, feel free to post here, on my talk page, or on the Portland discussion page. --Another Believer (talk) 00:42, 16 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi PerryPlanet. Thanks for your message. Wow, I'm amazed of the progress at that page. It's definitely in a much better shape. I guess it's a reminder to us all that our standards change over the years, but also that we need to continue to improve star articles, and not declare them untouchable beacons of greatness. I withdrew my nom. All the best, JamesA ^>talk 10:07, 22 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

I see you took the plunge and color-coded the subregions of Finger Lakes. I appreciate the help, and I especially appreciate your care in getting the borders correct! However, I have a couple of concerns.

First, I was never really sure how to handle the colors (which is why it hadn't been done previously). Intellectually, I still liked the idea of using the same colors from the New York (state) map for the regions' maps, as you can see in the three I've done: Niagara Frontier in blue, Southern Tier in yellow, Finger Lakes in red. As a result, I'd been thinking about making the colors variations on that red/pink hue, much like Peter's evocative Ireland map is all shades of green. The colors you chose (apparently from the NY map) work well enough, but I was wondering what you thought of my old idea?

Second, the text sizes seem to have increased significantly in the new version of the map; was that intentional, or did something go wonky?

-- LtPowers (talk) 19:57, 30 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

Thanks, I look forward to seeing what you come up with (not least so I can replicate it on Niagara Frontier!). LtPowers (talk) 20:08, 30 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

I think it works fairly well. Nice work on the apple-red for Apple Country. =) The font size is smaller but still larger than before; I may go in and try to tweak it but I don't see any major problems that require immediate correction. Thanks again for the help! LtPowers (talk) 20:49, 30 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi. I've been working on the Antelope Valley page and noticed you removed two listings from the Towns section (Lake Hughes and Lake Elizabeth). Was just curious about the reasoning behind it. Do they not fit with some aspect of WikiVoyage? (Just trying to learn how to make this project better.) Thanks. Wrk3 (talk) 18:40, 12 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hey, I just noticed that your old WT account contributions were never merged into your WV account. Would you like me to do that now? --Peter ^Talk 07:47, 22 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

Done! I was surprised to see the few long-timers who had forgotten about this ;) I put your old talk page (and archives) at User talk:PerryPlanet/Archive. Maybe you might want to move the archive links to your current talk page. Your user page is still available too (in the history of the redirect), if you want to use anything from it. --Peter ^Talk 07:54, 22 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hey, Perry; when you made this edit, did you update the many redirects that redirect to that section title? LtPowers (talk) 13:52, 26 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

I think your removal of routeboxes from Los Angeles was in error. New York City, Chicago, San Francisco, and other big cities whose articles are broken up into neighborhoods have them, so why not L.A.? The routeboxes in L.A. are reserved for routes that leave the county, so I'm not seeing a compelling reason not to have them, nor for that matter am I seeing a compelling reason to have Buttonwillow and Camarillo link to Los Angeles/Downtown rather than just Los Angeles. I haven't reverted you back yet, just thought I'd tell you why I did what I did first. Purplebackpack89 22:45, 10 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

Back at least now and then and doing a few edits. I hope life is treating you well.

Perhaps you'd like to have a look at these threads on Manhattan:

Talk:Manhattan/Upper East Side#Maps (Summary: There are 2 maps in that article now, and the static map that Powers tells me you created is at serious threat of being deleted in favor of a dynamic map.)

Dotm#Manhattan

Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates/Banners#Manhattan

Talk:Manhattan/Chinatown#Eastern Boundary of Chinatown

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:38, 11 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

Hi!

Great that you're cleaning up the Las Vegas article and adding geo coordinates to the establishments. I've planned to do it myself since Christmas but always had some lazy excuses not to :P. BTW do you happen to know if The Quad is still a construction site like it was a year ago? If they're done, then we should update the description. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:00, 1 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

Hello! Sorry for writing in English. As you're an administrator here, please check the message I left on MediaWiki talk:Licenses and the village pump. Thanks, Nemo 19:22, 18 September 2014 (UTC)Reply

	The Wikivoyage Barncompass
	Many thanks for all of the mapmasks on the LA maps - it is a huge usability win, and a lot of work, particularly for oddly shaped cities such as my current hometown of Culver City. Very nicely done. --Ryan • (talk) • 07:11, 2 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

Thanks! I've been meaning to put masks on those maps for a while. PerryPlanet (talk) 07:13, 2 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

• Terminal 1: International terminal, served by Aeroflot, Aeromexico, Air China, Air France, Alitalia, Austrian Airlines, Brussels Airlines, Cayman Airlines, China Eastern Airlines, EVA Air, Fly Jamaica Airways, Interjet, Japan Airlines, Korean Air, LOT Polish Airlines, Lufthansa, Meridiana, Royal Air Maroc, Saudia, and Turkish Airlines
• Terminal 2: Delta Air Lines (mostly Delta Connection flights)
• Terminal 4: JFK's newest international terminal, served by Air Europa, Air India, Arik Air, Asiana Airlines, Avianca, Caribbean Airlines, China Airlines, Copa Airlines, EgyptAir, El Al, Emirates, Etihad Airways, KLM, Kuwait Airways, Pakistan International Airlines, Singapore Airlines, South African Airways, Sun Country Airlines, Swiss International Air Lines, TACA Airlines, Transaero Airlines, Uzbekistan Airways, Virgin America, Virgin Atlantic, and XL Airways France, as well as some Delta and JetBlue flights
• Terminal 5: JetBlue Airways (All Departures & arrivals from Aruba, Bermuda, Nassau, Bahamas, and Puerto Rico), Aer Lingus, and Hawaiian Airlines
• Terminal 7: Air Canada, All Nippon Airways, British Airways, Cathay Pacific, Iberia, Icelandair, OpenSkies, Qantas, Sky King, UIA, United Airlines
• Terminal 8: American Airlines, Air Berlin, Finnair, LAN Airlines, Qatar Airways, Royal Jordanian, TAM Airlines, and US Airways

So 8. Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton ^m 19:53, 2 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

I'm counting, and there's six. PerryPlanet (talk) 20:01, 2 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

Yep, sorry, what happened with the 3 and the 6? Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton ^m 20:05, 2 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

They were demolished. Terminal 6 was taken out a few years back, and Terminal 3 was removed about a year ago. The airport just hasn't bothered to re-name the remaining terminals. PerryPlanet (talk) 20:11, 2 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

That's the spirit, you guys will never improve... peace! Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton ^m 20:38, 2 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

Hi, User:PerryPlanet!

I notice you've been doing a lot of editing on the Seattle article and district articles for that city. Are you trying to get it in shape for a dotm nomination? I think that would be great!

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:06, 26 February 2015 (UTC)Reply

You have done amazing work for wikimedia!!

Janine

	The Wikivoyage Barncompass
	Thanks for the US Airways-ectomy. Those sorts of cleanups are hugely tedious, so it's impressive to see it handled in one huge push. Ryan • (talk) • 02:17, 15 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

Thanks, Ryan! And yeah, tedious is right. :P PerryPlanet (talk) 02:18, 15 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

Hi, Perry. Can I prevail upon you to upload File:Disneyland hub banner.jpg locally, with Template:Non-free image attached? Since the Partners statue is under copyright, I think the banner will have to be deleted from Commons. Powers ^(talk) 19:29, 3 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

Hi, It doesn't really make that much sense to not have interWMF links in an article? I saw that there is a proposal for changing this, but it has stalled. Can you explain as to why Wikivoyage is so against interwiki linking, because it's pretty stupid, as people trying to learn more about something they find on Wikivoyage are hindered because of this. --TJH2018talk 23:08, 5 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

It took a considerable amount of time for me to find the images to illustrate the article and I am VERY frustrated you decided to delete them at whim just a moment later and due to your other edits I cannot even revert. I would rather you talked that over on the Talk page if there is an active editor involved.

I also believe that the images overflowing is not a good sign but to me it means there isn't enough content and my plan was to add it further on (I work on the Dallas and Manhattan guides this month ahead of my trip to the US). We also agreed no to force sizes and leave it up to user settings to determine how they display, it would be good to stick to that. PrinceGloria (talk) 18:26, 29 August 2016 (UTC)Reply

Side point here, but who agreed never to "force sizes" of pics? It's often a good idea to make the lede image bigger, and some images are tiny or huge at regular thumbnail sizes. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:56, 29 August 2016 (UTC)Reply

I need to dig out this discussion, but we've certainly had it. I used to force image sizes myself. It is NEVER a good idea actually, as somebody pointed out to me, and then I realized when I once used a low screen resolution to view VW on a tablet. PrinceGloria (talk) 20:21, 29 August 2016 (UTC)Reply

It looks like the last time this was brought up, there was a lengthy discussion on one of our image policy pages about how the default image size is too small. PerryPlanet (talk) 20:33, 29 August 2016 (UTC)Reply

I've never heard the term "ride-hailing" before. What are all these media that are using it now? The media I read still use "ridesharing". Powers ^(talk) 20:18, 23 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, thanks for mentioning this. To me, you hail a cab by waving your arms on the street. I don't think of getting an Uber online as "hailing". My feeling is that it might take a little while for this newfangled expression to get greater currency, much as happened with "texting" vs. "sending a text" and many other terms that were at first either young people's slang or techno-speak. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:04, 23 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

@Powers and Ikan Kekek — The Associated Press has specifically instructed media outlets to use the terms "ride-hailing" or "ride-booking" instead of "ridesharing", and if you look at the respective Wikipedia article you'll notice they avoid using the word too. "Ridesharing" is a term that was born out of the hype over the concept of a "sharing economy", but it's a fundamentally misleading term; when you use Uber or Lyft you don't "share" a ride with anyone. Even the driver isn't really "sharing" anything—they're entering a contractual agreement and being paid for their service and the use of their vehicle.

If you guys are really bothered by the term "ride-hailing", you can remove it, that's fine. Just so long as we're not using the term "ridesharing", I'm happy. PerryPlanet (talk) 23:36, 23 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

I don't think removing the term is a good solution. Something clear has to be used. For the time being, is it necessary to briefly explain or at least give context such that readers understand what the term means? Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:38, 23 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

@Ikan — For North Americans at least, I would think the mention of Uber should be sufficient, e.g. "ride-hailing services such as Uber or Lyft", since most Americans have some sort of sense of what Uber is, even if they haven't used it. Another possibility could be to simply fold any info on Uber/Lyft/etc. into taxi sections, since they really operate as cheap alternatives to taxis. PerryPlanet (talk) 23:46, 23 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

Probably most of our online readership has heard of Uber, but most of our online readership has also taken multiple flights, and yet we have an article for people taking their first flight. I'll trust you to deal with this in a clear way. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:51, 23 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

I agree, I'm not sure that's sufficient. "Ride-hailing" feels like a neologism to me. However inaccurate "ridesharing" may be, I'm fairly certain it's the most common term for what Uber and Lyft engage in. Powers ^(talk) 02:19, 24 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

So you said some time back that you'd like to contribute on an April First feature about East Berlin. I have created something in my userspace and while I do not say "run this as our April first feature" I emphatically allow and encourage everybody to contribute if they so wish. here is the link in case you wish to participate. Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:11, 8 March 2017 (UTC)Reply

I see that you did the Amtrak system map. Thanks again for that. here someone raises a few issues. Can you have a look at that, please? Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:13, 22 October 2017 (UTC)Reply

Hi PerryPlanet, do you have a SVG version of the JFK airport map you drew? I'd like to adjust the font size if possible. Thanks and hope all is well. Cheers -Shaundd (talk) 17:35, 31 October 2018 (UTC)Reply

Hello John Perry, I just want to thank you for contributing a high quality street map of upper Manhattan to wikimedia commons and generously making it available for use. I've been searching for literally hours.... I'll be using it for an educational project for elementary school. Thank you so so much. Best regards, Sue

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