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Welcome to Wikivoyage. Please take a sec to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub.

I responded to your question on Project:Travellers' pub. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 17:36, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

I just sent you an email. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 21:48, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

I rolled back this edit because after I saw your edit to the Template:ClimateCelsius I realized that it'd be better if the margin was completely around the template. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 23:35, 23 May 2007 (EDT)

I've got no opinion on the Xi'an vs. Xian debate, but I've reverted the removal of the Xi'an redirect for now. Whatever the final decision about article naming is, one name needs to redirect to the other, and since the current article is at Xian then Xi'an needs to redirect to it. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 02:23, 4 June 2007 (EDT)

The only opinion I have on the Xi'an vs. Xian debate is that I currently support it staying at Xian unless someone can prove to me that Xi'an is in more common English usage and convince everyone else that is the case too. PS: Anyone can move an article but we need consensus if there is a disagreement. -- (WT-en) Huttite 05:41, 4 June 2007 (EDT)

do, sleep, eat and the rest do have a special tag for alternate names, called "alt". Example:

* <see name="Beijing" alt="北京">A city.</see>

• <see name="Beijing" alt="北京">A city.</see>

(WT-en) Jpatokal 23:13, 9 June 2007 (EDT)

Any logged-in user can move a page, please feel free to move this one yourself if the name is incorrect. If you aren't seeing the move tab it may be a caching issue, which can be resolved by visiting http://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Mount_Huangshan&action=purge. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 23:07, 10 June 2007 (EDT)

Just wanted to say thanks for the effort you're putting into Harbin (and many more!) -- I've just nominated it for Destination of the Month. (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:24, 12 June 2007 (EDT)

Hey there Roger! I feel like maybe we should hold off just a little bit longer before creating more shortcuts, to make sure nobody objects and to clearly define what it is we're about to do... Some people may not take kindly to hundreds of new shortcut/redirects, so I just want to make sure we've got support behind us before we plunge forward :) – (WT-en) cacahuate ^talk 02:21, 16 July 2007 (EDT)

Hi Roger!

What's up with this template? Wanted to make sure you didn't have an important purpose for it before I vfd'd it... looks like it's not in use :) – (WT-en) cacahuate ^talk 22:14, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

Hi! I don't stop in here too often these days. Nice to see you. The Template:Equals sign was, if I remember correctly, an attempt to get an equal sign into another template or something like that without it being interpreted. I don't remember if I failed or succeeded nor whether I used it in anything. It is okay with me to have it gone. Cheers! --(WT-en) Rogerhc 16:19, 5 November 2009 (EST)

Why are you trying to move the image migration discussions to this project instead of keeping them at the places where they are currently held? Also, the image migration is not exclusively about the English Wikivoyage, but about all Wikivoyage language versions, so it seems very wrong to move the discussions here. --Stefan2 (talk) 19:13, 28 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

Let's focus our English Wikivoyage cleanup instructions in one place, Wikivoyage:Cleanup. For discussion of other language versions, please use meta:Wikivoyage and subpages of that, such as meta:Wikivoyage/Lounge. Peter and I are trying to ensure we have clear instructions about exactly how to help with the image move in one place so that people can help us with this big task. We simply cannot expect people who would help us to read all the many article and talk pages scattered among several wikis. We require focus--one canonical page that addresses the matter. Perhaps you could move the technical cleanup bot articles/discussions to a subpage such as either Wikivoyage:Cleanup/The cleanup bots or if you prefer to meta:Wikivoyage/The cleanup bots? --Rogerhc (talk) 19:34, 28 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

(edit conflict) But why move the discussions to this project when there already is a different page where everyone is discussing this? Why can't the discussions be kept there, where it is possible to use normal links to files? It seems much easier to me and avoids confusing people by moving things around. Also, it makes no sense to have the French Wikivoyage cleanup instructions, Russian Wikivoyage cleanup instructions et cetera on this page. Since image cleanup instructions are the same for all languages, let's not move things but keep them where they are. --Stefan2 (talk) 19:38, 28 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

Good point. Would it work to move Wikivoyage:Cleanup to WTS or meta? It is essential to have it in one place. Where would be the best place? --Rogerhc (talk) 20:00, 28 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

We will highly appreciate if you do not alter the system that is running since three weeks, and join the effort instead of trying to head our work. Unfortunately, I don't see any new people doing anything. I rather see that we waste time for unnecessary discussions on where to discuss the cleanup process. It is best if you leave the cleanup instructions where they are, add a link to the WTS Pub as a place for specific discussions, and proceed to the regular work. Thank you. --Alexander (talk) 20:09, 28 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

I have spent the past three weeks trying to figure out how I can help. It occurred to me that my time was being waisted by unclear scattered instructions and that most people who would gladly help are not as persistent as I am and simply go away without understanding how to help. I am not trying to change the system we have in place, I am tying to understand it and get it documented in in one place, so that I and other people who would love to help can understand how to, and get to work. I think Wikivoyage:Cleanup does an excellent job of that. Maybe the inequality of its being on en.wikivoyage instead of meta or WTS can be overlooked and we can get to work, and point helpers at it instead of several other places? You and Stephan have the valuable asset of bing able to hold dozens of variables in your head and remember where they all are. Most of us don't. The copyright puzzle is complex enough that most of us simply cannot hold much more than than alone in our heads as we approach this matter. Keeping the instructions in one place is essential to getting the greater Wikivoyage community's help with the tagging. Essential. Technical discussions beyond what helpers need to know should not be linked to in site notice without clear labeling that they are technical discussions beyond what ordinary helpers need to know. I'm sure I have some of this wrong and I do hope you will steer me right. I imagine I have some important parts of this right, too. Thanks! --Rogerhc (talk) 20:30, 28 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

Peter and you have prepared a good overview. Probably it helps. Now let's get to work. Every minute equals to one image that can be tagged, reviewed, categorized or deleted. --Alexander (talk) 21:52, 28 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

My goal was just to provide an overview to get people from here started tagging without having to wade through the very long and complex discussions on wts. I do think discussion should continue to take place there, though, where it has been. Moving Wikivoyage:Cleanup to Meta might make sense. --Peter ^Talk 23:58, 28 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

As we have been moving the conversation around a bit we should keep the redirects. Travel Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:19, 17 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

Which ones? The two I put {{delete}} on were created when you moved the draft from your userpage to a wrong location and then moved it again to the location you had intended to move it to, least that's what it looked like to me. That created a double redirect for the draft and another double redirect for it's talk page. It is easy to fix that; I think I did so correctly. Anyway, I'll leave the redirects, double or not, to you now. Best for each to be a single redirect to the target page instead of a chain of double or triple redirects however. Thanks for creating the m:Wikivoyage/Launch press release draft and for putting it on Meta. Good draft it is, too. --Rogerhc (talk) 01:48, 17 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

I've incorporated most all of it in the published version, including switching the final pic: [1]. Re: the mobile bit, I do know that WT has one as well, my intention was just to state that Wikivoyage's is way more polished -- clarified the wording a mite to make that clearer. Jpatokal (talk) 10:13, 14 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

Roger, please don't sweep into the pub. It's dirty enough as it is! LtPowers (talk) 21:23, 18 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

I think that when someone puts reasonable general talk about Wikivoyage onto Talk:Main Page, sweeping it into the pub is the right thing to do. The pub is where it belongs. However, given your objection to this and the indeed crowded state of the pub just now, perhaps I might sweep such onto the user page or IP page of the contributor who left it in the wrong place next time, instead. This may depend on the stars being aligned correctly. <*|:-) --Rogerhc (talk) 01:25, 19 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

The problem is, if you sweep it to the Pub, someone else just has to sweep it back out later. It's better to send it to it's proper ultimate destination, especially if there's no need for additional input from others. LtPowers (talk) 02:15, 19 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hey, could you upload a screenshot of what you are seeing [2]. I can't reproduce, but our regions display with the map thumb and regionlist template isn't in great shape, and needs rethinking—a thumb of your problem might help. --Peter ^Talk 05:51, 5 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Sure.

Screen shot (at right) from my computer to illustrate text overlapping the top left corner of the Region map on this version of the Bali page.

This was taken with Firefox 18 on Linux. You might be able to reproduce this error on the above linked version of the Bali page by dragging your browser window to various narrow widths. Note that I may try to fix the map key (Template:Regionlist) so that this does not happen and if I succeed then even the above linked version of the Bali page will no longer display this error because it would transclude a current (corrected) version of the map key (Template:Regionlist). [I tried but did not manage to fix this in the template.]

I have now undone my layout edits to Bali because I subsequently found that they were causing trouble with display of the regions map and key in mobile version. You know what, our TOC is too wide. It was narrower at WT. But maybe it needs to be this wide to display the second and third level headings nicely. I say we put a <br clear="right"> after the map in Template:Regionlist. I'll go make a note of that on its talk page. --Rogerhc (talk) 21:14, 5 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi there! I hope you don't mind, but I've had a play with your Puzzler concept here - what do you think? As you can see, I've called it 'Travel Bureau' on there, but I'm more than happy for it to be called whatever common consensus dictates. Thanks! --Nicholasjf21 (talk) 21:12, 19 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

A version of the Tourist Office has now gone live here - what do you think? :) --Nicholasjf21 (talk) 19:45, 22 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Oh, that's nice! Didn't realize it was there. Thanks for the heads up. It is still too wide. Better put the input boxes one on top of the other instead of next to each other, to fit it all into narrow windows I think. Want help doing that? (You can see how I did it at User:Nicholasjf21/Tourist_Office). --Rogerhc (talk) 19:52, 22 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

I'll do that now, but if you're prepared to lend a hand, I'd be very grateful! --Nicholasjf21 (talk) 20:01, 22 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi! I've fixed the temporary portal here: m:Www.wikivoyage.org template/temp sky background --Nick (talk) 00:29, 19 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Message on Wikivoyage:Travellers'_pub#New_Interlingual_Portal_implemented. PiRSquared17 (talk) 20:35, 30 April 2013 (UTC)Reply