User talk:Stefan2 Voyage Tips and guide

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To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. --Globe-trotter (talk) 16:58, 4 October 2012 (CEST)

Deleted, sorry for the delay. Btw I still hope to upload all the files you collected at your wts user page. Are you planning to move the page somewhere (here, for instance)? Wts is not editable anymore except for files and categories.--Ymblanter (talk) 12:23, 12 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

Which page are you talking about? I have three pages on Wts:

• This page lists files on Wts which need to be copied to Commons from Wikipedia. Some of the files which are listed as "not yet copied" were copied to Commons by User:MGA73 but not marked as such. I just copied this file to User:Stefan2/copy from Wikipedia, but [[:File:...]] needs to be replaced by [http://wts.wikivoage-old.org/wiki/File:...] everywhere.
• This page lists some potential freedom of panorama problems. I created a similar page with other potential problems at User:Stefan2/FOP.
• This page lists some files on Wts which are used on fully protected pages. This makes less sense now; no one can edit those pages. There is a similar page at User:Stefan2/file links to update. --Stefan2 (talk) 13:10, 12 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

  I meant this one, thanks for transferring it here.--Ymblanter (talk) 14:04, 12 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

Hi Stefan! My first order of business as the new temporary admin is to go through and sort out your links to update list as above. I've modified the links to images that hadn't been done already, but my question to you is did you want the local image files deleted too? Thehelpfulone 19:04, 12 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

The "local files" are files at http://wts.wikivoyage-old.org/ which have been tagged with NowCommons at that project. If the file names aren't used on any language version of Wikivoyage, then I suppose that the files may be deleted at http://wts.wikivoyage-old.org/, but it may be difficult to confirm that they really are unused, so it may be safer to keep the files on Wts for now. There are also a few language versions of Wikitravel which haven't been imported. The files may be used somewhere on those language versions, and I don't know if anyone is planning to import those projects or not. However, if you update file links, please remove the line from the page User:Stefan2/file links to update so that other people see that the links have been updated. --Stefan2 (talk) 19:13, 12 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

Hello Stefan2, I notice your bot is replacing all kinds of flag files, one by one. Currently I have created a tool for myself to easy transfer all flag-files at once in just one edit. As on a lot of pages there are more than 30 missing flag files, I think it would be better not doing them all one by one, but all in one edit. Greetings - Romaine (talk) 22:50, 12 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

That's an alternative way of doing it, if you know that your replacements are correct. My bot asks me about each flag so that I can confirm that the flags are the same. In some cases, NowCommons tags may be wrong. --Stefan2 (talk) 22:54, 12 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

All edits I check for inaccuracies. I add corrections to it so when I notice with the check some errors. I do not base it on NowCommons, but on the country that is named after the flag where the flag is related with. Romaine (talk) 23:08, 12 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

Ah, OK, that should work too. --Stefan2 (talk) 23:14, 12 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

I think I have done almost all flags I could find. There should be some more, this is all I could find right now. I hope you can get Category:Pages with broken file links empty, and also on the other language versions of Wikivoyage. I did put interwiki's on them and created the category on some language versions. I saw your bot active, thanks very much! Greetings - Romaine (talk) 01:29, 13 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

My bot works on files in [1] and [2] and ignores any other categories. If files are available under a different name on Commons, then they will be replaced eventually. If the files first need to be copied to Commons, then the matter will usually be handled by Commons:User:MGA73bot2. For example, I think that he told the bot to copy around 2000 images to Commons during the night. If some of the files got a different name on Commons, then my bot will of course need to help. --Stefan2 (talk) 10:19, 13 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

Also, I think that I've already handled about half of the images which have been tagged with NowCommons. Many of the remaining red links probably go to files which first have to be copied to Commons. --Stefan2 (talk) 10:22, 13 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

I've tracked the history of all the filed listed there. Cheers, Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 19:16, 23 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

I should specify that I merely went by the nowcommons tags, didn't check bit by bit or anything. Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 19:18, 23 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

Done, not that I could really help with much :( I do try to keep an eye on it, but updates to it tend to get buried among the flood of enwiki and meta stuff, sorry. Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 16:39, 5 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

Hi Stefan, I undid your addition of links to two other sets of instructions on how to cleanup images from the top of Wikivoyage:Cleanup. I really think folks will find it easier to help us if they only have to read one set of instructions and associated talk page. And now I'm plunging into the tagging job. THANKS! --Rogerhc (talk) 19:11, 28 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

I am indeed trying to keep the discussions at as few places as possible, but you are apparently trying to move the discussions about migration to Project:Cleanup. Why not keep the discussions where they have been held all of the time? --Stefan2 (talk) 19:14, 28 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

Let's discuss this in one place; I moved it to User_talk:Rogerhc#Moving_image_migration_discussions. --Rogerhc (talk) 20:04, 28 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

Hi Stefan, I'm not quite sure where to post questions about the clean up/tagging process. I'm trying to sort out how exactly to help but I'm slightly lost. As far as I understand, I'm to check all images in a category from this list[3], and tag them. I did so for the 20-or-so files in http://wts.wikivoyage-old.org/wiki/Category:Files_uploaded_by_Bcharmse. None of those should be transfered, as they are all part of a hotel-promotion effort, none have proper author information or descriptions. So far so good. Now, the category is automatically empty. And now what? Should I manually add the empty category to http://wts.wikivoyage-old.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:Pub_%28temporary_refuge%29/Files_by_user_reviewed? Thanks, JuliasTravels (talk) 20:34, 10 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

There's no point in listing a category as reviewed if it is empty. Empty user categories are deleted once in a while, since they no longer serve any purpose. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:55, 10 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

So what I did is all I have to do? And others will know that category is already checked because it is automatically emptied soon after? Just then.. when would I use that other list[4]? Thanks for your fast answer btw. JuliasTravels (talk) 21:01, 10 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

If there are files which should be copied to Commons, then the category should be listed here once you have checked the category. There's no point in listing empty categories there, though. --Stefan2 (talk) 16:39, 12 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

A user has uploaded this image to Wikimedia Commons (without proper attribution). Could you remove that file and upload this and this file including the original upload log? Thanks. --Globe-trotter (talk) 11:36, 12 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

Nominated for deletion: Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:PlugsWV.png (no evidence of permission from English Wikivoyage designers). --Stefan2 (talk) 16:37, 12 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

Hi Stefan 2 :D,

About the bots, I answered on the pub page, if you are willing to do the cleaning in the Portuguese version, we would be grateful. Thank you for your attention. Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton ^m 04:48, 10 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

I was a bit busy yesterday, but I've replied there now. --Stefan2 (talk) 16:43, 10 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

There are many pages to view, so I brought it here, sorry if I seemed intrusive or if it seemed like I was demanding something. I made the request in Meta. And that your bot saved our skin, would take too long to be able to remove all images of flags, thank you. m:Steward_requests/Bot_status#Stefan2bot.40pt.wikivoyage. Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton ^m 09:33, 11 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

\o/ You received the status. Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton ^m 01:38, 18 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi mate, do you know if wikivoyage has a nowcommons template, for images which have been transferred to Commons and so can be deleted locally? I transferred File:Copy of Severn Beach railway station MMB 02.jpg on en.wv to File:Severn Beach railway station MMB 02C.jpg on Commons, as the keeplocal rationale is invalid (the logo is PD-ineligible). -mattbuck (Talk) 21:32, 16 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

There is Template:NowCommons, but I'm not sure if anyone is checking whether it is in use anywhere. The images are mainly at the Wikivoyage e.V. servers in Germany, and the NowCommons template is presumably almost never used on the Wikimedia servers. I suggest that you add Template:Vfd to the file and add a section at Wikivoyage:Votes for deletion. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:51, 16 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi, {{delete|reason}} is the speedy deletion template :) Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 23:48, 17 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

Ah, I should have tried that - it works on most projects, except Commons, where it is the "slow deletion" template. --Stefan2 (talk) 23:53, 17 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi Stefan,

It was my understanding that the images uploaded to WT could be assumed to be CC-BY-SA if no explicit license was specified (if the uploaded could reasonably assumed to be the copyright holder.) The images I tagged generally explicitly claimed copyright or explicitly stated to have be taken by the uploader. Several of the images I tagged where uploaded as part of a series of images, often with the first upload explicitly tagged as CC-BY-SA, but where the license was "forgotten" on the subsequent uploads. Some of these images do not have good replacements on Common, so it would disappointing to lose them.

Cheers, —Ruud 13:57, 20 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

The licence of an image is decided based on the text at MediaWiki:Uploadtext at the point when the file was uploaded. This is the text you see at Special:Upload when uploading a file. At some point in 2007, someone added a statement to that page saying that files automatically are licensed as CC-BY-SA 1.0 if no other licence is selected. At some point (2009?), this was changed to CC-BY-SA 3.0. Thus, the licence part seems to work like this:

• If uploaded before some specific point in 2007, then the file is only available under a licence if the uploader has selected one explicitly, as far as I can see.
• If uploaded between some specific point in 2007 and some specific point in 2009, then the file is automatically available under CC-BY-SA 1.0 unless the uploader has selected a different licence when uploading the file. Note that writing a statement like "All Rights Reserved" might count as selecting a licence, and in that case, we'd probably have a file which can't be used because of an unacceptable licence. Selecting a licence when uploading a file means that there is a licence in the first revision of the file information page. It doesn't matter if things have changed since then.
• If uploaded after some specific point in 2009, then the file is automatically available under CC-BY-SA 3.0 unless the uploader has selected a different licence.

Also note that the page MediaWiki:Uploadtext may have said different things on different projects, so the exact terms and dates might differ. If the uploader has signed Project:License upgrade (or the corresponding page on a different project), then the uploader has explicitly selected the licence CC-BY-SA 3.0 for all of his uploads, regardless of the upload date and regardless of what it says on the file information page, as long as the uploader is the copyright holder of the file. --Stefan2 (talk) 15:11, 21 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

But that should mean that e.g., this and this photo should be okay (CC-BY-SA 1.0), right? It has been uploaded to WT Shared in 2008 and the uploader, Speterkar, claims to be the photographer ("Arnhem city centre by Simon Péter, 2006", "Part of the national park north of Arnhem, Netherlands, taken in Aug. 2008 by Simon Péter"). Additionally he explicitly tagged one of his later upload as {{cc-by-sa-all}}. These images have been deleted from Commons again, however. —Ruud 17:04, 21 February 2013 (UTC)Reply