Talk:Bangalore Voyage Tips and guide

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This article is quite long, and the number of listings seems to have outgrown the article. Do you think it is time to divide this big, important city into separate district articles? I have never been to Bangalore, so I couldn't help decide how to districtify, but maybe it's time for those of you who do know the city to have a discussion and figure that out. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:41, 23 February 2014 (UTC)Reply

I don't think the article required district-ication instead its because of plenty of listings under Buy, Eat, Drink and Sleep sections that make the article long. The sections needs trimming instead because it look like a directory and I think worth to mention listings should be kept only. On the other hand, I'm going to remove the guide status template even though the article have plenty of good information a guide article should have because of style templates being used in the article. I think we're not supposed to show guide status template and style templates at the same time. --Saqib (talk) 09:49, 22 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

I agree on downgrading this to Usable because of the style templates. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:58, 22 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

That Eat section, with its headings... :P ϒpsilon (talk) 19:13, 22 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

Those who go to one part of Bangalore do not connect with other parts because of the hopeless traffic issues. So this is the right time to split Bangalore to five districts: Central, East, West, South and North. Prof tpms (talk) 11:06, 16 May 2015 (UTC)Reply

Can you propose boundaries for the districts in question? Also, how do you address Saqib's point above? Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:13, 16 May 2015 (UTC)Reply

Professor. Same is the case with Karachi — a mega city and much more bigger in size than Bangalore but we don't districity city articles based on such reasons you stated above. So lets first trim down the article as I said and then figure out whether we need to districtify Banglore or not. --Saqib (talk) 11:27, 16 May 2015 (UTC)Reply

Saqib is right. Trimming Eat and Buy sections is essential. I am thinking of trimming things given by myself when they look excessive in length. Buy sections of most cities are dominated by touts. Prof tpms (talk) 14:52, 16 May 2015 (UTC)Reply

Go ahead. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:25, 16 May 2015 (UTC)Reply

What do you all think now? Super-long. Trim and/or districtify? If any of you know the city, please cut uninteresting listings mercilessly. I also helped a little by deleting a bunch of car rental listings. I seriously doubt it's hard to find a rental car in such a major city, and a section with car rental listings certainly facilitates touting. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:03, 6 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

Any new thoughts? Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:33, 21 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Prof tpms, about how many listings would you expect there to be in each of the districts you had proposed to divide this city into? Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:34, 22 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

20 items for eat, 20 items for sleep/budget, 20 items for buy . . I think this margin will make the pages more readable. Prof TPMS (talk) 01:22, 23 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Sounds good to me. Do you have specific boundaries in mind for all the districts? Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:30, 23 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

I think, we should not split Bangalore into districts even now. However, if we insist, we may at least divide the city into two districts: North and South. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 14:59, 14 November 2022 (UTC)Reply

No-one is insisting, I think. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:09, 14 November 2022 (UTC)Reply

As I am contributing to this article and several districts in Kolkata, it looks like Bangalore should be split into at least three districts: Bangalore/North, Bangalore/Central and Bangalore/South. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 09:56, 20 November 2022 (UTC)Reply

Let's pick this discussion up again. Can we get agreement on these three districts, and where would the boundaries be? Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:04, 18 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

Bangalore and Bengaluru co-exist currently with reference to the city since they are used interchangeably.

Although Bengaluru is official the city's name and most government bodies refer to Bengaluru - outsiders and even most locals still refer to Bangalore and not Bengaluru. Bengaluru is not yet in common usage like Mumbai which has largely superseded Bombay in daily usage. —The preceding comment was added by Rld (talk • contribs)

Excellent information, thanks. Wikivoyage's policy is to call cities by the name that is most commonly used in English, which in many cases (e.g., Roma, Moskva, Yerushalayim, Köln) is not the same as the official name. So as long as Bangalore is the name that's more commonly used by English speakers, we should not change the name of this article and should use it in Wikivoyage links from other articles. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:38, 13 September 2014 (UTC)Reply

I'd note that the names are being used interchangeably in the article, with a preference for Bengaluru. That's incorrect. Except for proper names that use the official name, all other instances of the name should be spelled Bangalore as long as that's the article's title. Anyone who'd like to spend time cleaning up more of the article should please do so. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:04, 25 May 2018 (UTC)Reply

I've taken care of this, and it took a while because it's not appropriate to do a global search and replace, as "Bengaluru" is used in many proper names of listings. However, whenever it's determined that the official spelling has gained enough currency, a global search and replace for the British spelling would be easy and have few exceptions. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:41, 27 May 2018 (UTC)Reply

[unindent] Same now in 2019? Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:04, 6 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

Speaking as someone who's not very familiar with India, I think I see "Bengaluru" more often nowadays. It seems "Bangalore" is starting to go the way of "Bombay". —Granger (talk · contribs) 22:41, 17 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

There seems to be a lot of content for Kempegowda International Airport. Would it be OK to split it off? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 08:30, 1 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

The section isn't that long, but I'm sure it could be added to by someone who knows the airport well. According to the article, "The airport, open since May 2008, is among India's busiest and most modern." The only other questions would be how big is it and how complicated is it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:30, 1 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

I was thinking that the airport itself wasn't too long, but the 'connect' information ran to a few pages. In any case I will be there next month so I will check it out first :) --Andrewssi2 (talk) 05:07, 2 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

I removed the following text from the bus section, mostly because it doesn't provide much help to the traveler. If it can be worked out to provide better context then perhaps it can be returned:

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Other important bus stands are:

• BTM Layout, South East
• Banashankari, South
• Basaveshwara Nagar, West
• Chandra Layout, West
• Domlur, East
• Hebbal, North
• Jayanagar, South
• Kadugodi, East
• Koramangala', South
• Malleswaram, North West
• Rajarajeshwari Nagar , South West
• Shantinagar, Central
• Shivajinagar, Central
• Srinagara, South West
• Vidyaranyapura, North
• Vijaynagar, West
• Yelahanka, North
• Yeshwantpur, North West

Andrewssi2 (talk) 06:27, 26 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

I removed the following mall list for now, since apart from giving the general location it gives no reason why one should it

• The Forum (Koramangala)
• The Forum value mall (Whitefield)
• Orion Mall (Rajajinagar)
• Garuda Mall (Magrath Road)
• Mantri Square (Malleshwaram)
• Phoenix Market City (Whitefield Road)
• UB City (Vittal Mallya Road)
• Lido Mall (Ulsoor)
• Gopalan Innovation Mall (Bannerghatta Road)
• Gopalan Mall (Mysore Road)
• Royal Meenakshi Mall (Bannerghatta Road)
• Bengaluru Central (Residency Road, Jayanagar 9th block and Outer Ring Road, Be)
• Sigma Mall (Cunningham Road)
• Poorva Mall (Old Madras Road)
• Mega Mall (Vyalikaval)

--Andrewssi2 (talk) 06:56, 26 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

This somewhat touty restaurant listing was in none of the price sections (Budget, Mid-range, Splurge). If someone feels like doing the required research, please edit the listing accordingly and put it in the right subsection. Otherwise, since we already have too many listings...

• 13.0448677.521251 New Spisea Restaurant, First Floor,Bhat Complex,S.M Road,Jalahalli West, ☏ +91 80 41121596. 8AM-4PM 7PM-11PM. A nice restaurant small and cosy where one would get Kerala food especially seafood at its best. 

Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:16, 26 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

Swept in from the pub

Please see User talk:Ikan Kekek#Article undeletion request. These new users are students at Christ University in Bangalore. They're brand new at this site, had a rough start at first (see that user talk link), and may have limited command of English. If any of them ask for your help or make mistakes, please do your best to be helpful and patient. User:Titodutta would appear to be their instructor or representative, so s/he is probably the best liaison for us if we need to contact a student who may have missed an edit summary or user talk post. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:11, 26 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

Wow, looks like a class of 9 getting involved :) There is recent precedence for this with the Ansan that has developed into a detailed article after a few lessons learned. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 10:30, 26 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

Yes, our new Korean members have done very well. Several other articles about South Korea have also recently been created or improved. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:31, 26 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

By the way, I believe I count 14 among the class. :-) Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:36, 26 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

Warm welcome to them! Perhaps someone should create some kind of template (could be useful also for future visits by school classes) to put on the student's user pages. Otherwise admins who may look at the Recent changes later today and don't notice this discussion may think it's a case of pcv. ϒpsilon (talk) 12:12, 26 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

I did at first. But all admins should pay close attention to new threads in the Pub. Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:29, 26 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the notification! JarrahTree (talk) 12:47, 26 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

• Sure. Please contact me if needed. :) --Titodutta (talk) 16:49, 26 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

This is indeed a way in which WV can be grown! Have fun! Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:18, 26 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

Great. Welcome. See Wikivoyage:India_Expedition for some things that need doing, or choose your own. If you like history, articles like Mughal Empire, British Raj or On the trail of Kipling's Kim might be of interest. Pashley (talk) 22:05, 26 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

City of burning lakes: experts fear Bangalore will be uninhabitable by 2025 Pashley (talk) 15:23, 3 March 2017 (UTC)Reply

Hindu “God of Death” Hired by Police to Scare People Without Helmets Pashley (talk) 01:38, 13 July 2018 (UTC)Reply

Hello Ikan Kekek,

First and foremost, I would like to apologize for using a form of touting in the description of Conrad Bengaluru's listing. That was not my intention. (reverted changes for reference: https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Bangalore&diff=4068584&oldid=4068568).

I was hoping we could discuss the listing inclusion to the Sleep section in the article under "Splurge". There are only two Conrad properties in India and I believe we could enrich the article, by listing the one in Bengaluru. Please find below the updated content for it:

"The hotel has 285 guestrooms, 4 restaurants, a spa, pool and fitness center. A grand ballroom is available."

I do hope the above meets Wikivoyage's guidelines and again - my sincere apologies for causing you trouble. —The preceding comment was added by 46.237.99.140 (talk • contribs) 12:43, 13 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

I think this is reasonable. The new listing, with suggested wording and some small changes of my own to fit with our style would be:

• 12.97524377.6206951 Conrad Hotel, 25/3, Kensington Road, Ulsoor, ☏ +91 80 22144444, [email protected]. Check-in: 15:00, check-out: 12:00. 285 guestrooms, 4 restaurants, a spa, pool and fitness centre. A grand ballroom is available. ₹6,500. (updated Oct 2020)

Assuming everything is as I understand it (that this was the first attempt at touting, and the above represents a good faith effort to abide by the rules), I'd be happy to reinsert it into the article. If the hotel employee would be kind enough to wait a few more hours in case there are any dissenting opinions, I should think one of us will add the listing.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:52, 13 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

Looks OK to me. 46.237.99.140, keep in mind that no individual sets policy here. Wikis like this one set policy and guidelines by consensus. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:04, 13 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

Similar to what I mentioned in Talk:Jaipur, there's just waaaay too many listings that violate wv:worship. Based on my experience in Kerala and as someone who has nothing to do with any religion, I wouldn't want to go to more than two temples, whilst five is probably the max. Which ones should be removed? If no comments, I'll paste the entire list here and randomly choose which ones should be removed. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:50, 21 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

I don't think you should assume all 21 (30, whatever) are not worthwhile to visit. My reaction, having skipped through the other sections with listings, is that this article seems like an excellent candidate for districting. Also, it's an absurd idea that a huge city should have only 5 places of worship listed. You'd do that in Rome, Paris, Tokyo? So why in Bangalore, whose population is over 8 million per w:Bangalore? Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:32, 21 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Yes, I would do that per wv:worship (the difference is that Rome, Paris and Tokyo are all districtified, but even if, only those that are architecturally significant should be listed, otherwise removed). Otherwise, these can go in the #Cope section if anyone is willing to do that.

But I have to question, taken from wv:worship: Would anybody visit these temples for reasons unrelated to religion and if so, which reason would that be? SKCON Hare Krishna Temple or Maha Bodhi Society Temple just seem two ordinary temples that don't seem architecturally nor historically significant.

I apologise if I seem to be very harsh on wv:worship and in enforcing it, but as an ordinary irreligious traveller, I would like to visit those that as the question says, for reasons unrelated to religion – not a list of every place of worship. To avoid ending my message in negativity, have a look at Cooch Behar, it used to have lots of temples listed, now after it's been cut down, if I ever go there, I know which ones are the ones that an ordinary traveller unrelated to that religion would want to visit. If there's someone who knows Bangalore well, perhaps a travel topic can be created, similar to Places of worship in Singapore, a guide level travel topic which gives reasons and explanations on why I'd want to go there. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:57, 21 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Rome has probably over 100 churches that are well worth visiting for a non-Christian because of architectural merit and/or good art inside. Selectivity is needed, but a limit of 5 per district is violently wrong for the world headquarters of Roman Catholicism. Indian cities are huge and likely to have many temples that are worthwhile to visit for similar reasons. Mosques, too. And sometimes, it's interesting to visit a place of pilgrimage to take in the atmosphere and respectfully observe the behavior of the pilgrims. That's mainly why I consider it worth briefly listing the Santuario in Pompeii. All that said, I looked at images of Maha Bodhi and ISKCON in Bangalore, and I think you have a point that neither is that interesting to me architecturally, but I don't think we should rush to delete such listings, as the number of listings in the "See" section is not obviously disproportionate to the number of listings in other sections, and maybe districting would be more appropriate than deletions in a lot of cases. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:16, 21 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Yes. After districtifying, if some district has ten beautiful and religiously important temples and ten dull ones of the same denominations, serving only the locals, then we should probably delete the latter ten, but if the only temple in some neighbourhood is an insignificant one, we might want to list it to the benefit of a traveller who doesn't have the time to go elsewhere, or has visited umpteen of the important ones and really would not mind the experience of a simple one. –LPfi (talk) 16:55, 21 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Also, I don't think we should only limit it to places of worship that are architecturally interesting. Sometimes, people might want to visit a place just to observe the locals performing their religious rites and soak in the atmosphere. Like say, the Wong Tai Sin Temple in Hong Kong. In terms of architecture, it is just an ordinary, albeit large, Chinese temple, but it is the most popular temple in Hong Kong for the locals to perform their divination rituals, which in and of itself makes it an interesting place to visit. The dog2 (talk) 17:08, 21 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

We have an article about Kempegowda International Airport now, so the "By plane" section is an easy place to delete detailed information. I'd suggest keeping only the listing, removing some details from it like the following:

"They share the same building, but are on different sides - the domestic gates are on the west side while the larger international gates are to the east. There are ATMs, bureaux de change, two units of Cafe Coffee Day and other cafés, duty-free shops, restaurants, and day hotels at the airport. When departing from the airport, make sure to check restrictions on times for baggage check-in, and make sure to bring a printout of your boarding pass with you to the airport."

The sections about airlines and ground transportation should be replaced with "See the Kempegowda International Airport article for details on x, y and z". Agreed? Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:58, 23 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Language has become a burning issue in Bangalore recently, with locals encouraging and even imposing Kannada to outsiders, especially those from North Indian states. I have learnt that while many auto drivers in Bangalore understand languages like English, Hindi, Tamil and Telugu, some don't like to communicate in languages other than Kannada, which is problematic for outsiders. So where should I mention the language issues with auto drivers in Bangalore, "Talk" or "By auto-rickshaw"? Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 03:35, 18 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

Off-topic, but the promotion (and possible imposition) of Kannada in Karnataka has probably led to Bangalore being officially renamed to "Bengaluru", Mysore to "Mysuru", Shimoga to "Shivamogga", Belgaum to "Belagavi", Gulbarga to "Kalaburagi", Chikmagalur to "Chikkamagaluru", Hubli to "Hubballi", and so on, back in 2007. However, most English outlets continue using old names for 17 years and counting (except "Gulbarga", which is found mostly in historical discourse). Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 03:44, 18 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

Yes, absolutely mention the language issue in the "Talk" section. In terms of names, we go by the name that's most used in English, but if this might cause issues for travelers, it should be mentioned somewhere, probably "Understand" but maybe "Respect." Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:57, 18 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

The local name is mentioned in parenthesis on the first line of the article leads (I changed to that format in this article) and as the alt parameter in listings. The discussion can be in one of those other sections, but isn't needed for every city article, having it here probably suffices. –LPfi (talk) 07:21, 18 November 2024 (UTC)Reply