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Districts Again
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- Old city
- Hussain Sagar Lake (i.e. region around it)
- Jubilee Hills and Banjara Hills
- Cyberabad
- North Hyderabad
- Secundarabad
- East Hyderabad
Ravikiran (talk) 18:01, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
- Nice to see you around, Ravikiran. In case others don't express a view within a day or so, my feeling is that since you know the city, if you're up to defining the borders of all the districts and starting the articles for them, go ahead. Saqib is great at making static maps of districts when time allows, if you would like to use those. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:09, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
- Although bit busy these days but yes, will surely create a map if I get the base image or at-least the borders of districts. --Saqib (talk) 14:37, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
- Firstly, may I congratulate you on making one of the better looking Indian articles.
- Secondly, I doubt you'll have enough "See" and "Do" for some of the districts to make either a successful districtification or for it to be strictly necessary - but I'd love to be proved wrong... BushelCandle (talk) 14:59, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- Ravikiran lives in Hyderabad. If he believes there will be enough listings for each district, I would tend to trust his judgment. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:27, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- I'm also inclined to trust his judgment but I note that it is over a year since the posts above & every district except "old city" is still a red link. Ravikiran, are you around? Can anyone else help? Pashley (talk) 02:23, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
- Ravikiran, would you like to follow up on this? Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:06, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
- Another problem is that "Old City" contains not a single listing besides its "get in" section... Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:44, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
Removed content from listing
[edit]This was mentioned in the Hussain Sagar Lake listing, but doesn't belong there. Most of it is mentioned elsewhere in the article, but maybe it might be useful and I didn't just want to delete it.
Sights: Pakistan M47 Patton Tank, An 18-metre high statue of Gautama Buddha, Lumbini Park, Birla Mandir Hindu temple, Sanjeevaiah Park public green space, Prasad's IMAX multiplex movie theater, NTR Gardens is a small urban park, Sayedani Maa Tomb at the north end of Tank Bund, Secretariat buildings, Hyderabad Boat Club on the southern side, Secunderabad Sailing Club, Hotel Marriott on the northern side and Raj Bhavan on the western bank
Xsobev (talk) 00:52, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
Abandon districtification for the time being?
[edit]Given the rather sorry state of the one district article that was created and the fact that the others have sat as redlinks for two years, should districtification be put off and abandoned at this point? Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:45, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, IMO halfway made stuff like this makes our guides less helpful to the traveler and it doesn't look particularly nice either. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:55, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
- @Ravikiran r: any input? Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:26, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
- I would also abandon districtification for now and focus updating/polishing the main one-page article. Especially adding geo coordinates to all the listings (and some details to their content part) would be very useful and will make a possible future districtification much easier. Xsobev (talk) 15:59, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
- @Ravikiran r: any input? Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:26, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
Hyderabad, India [districts]
[edit]I've been working on the Hyderabad article. The current obstacle to further progress is the districts. The exact district boundaries are unclear, and there are also large areas that seem to not be in any district - see here. I asked the person who originally made the districts, but he doesn't seem to be active anymore. Does anyone have local knowledge who could help out here? Ar2332 (talk) 10:34, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- That's a real problem. It's really too bad User:Ravikiran r has been gone since May - hopefully, life intervened in a good way. I hope someone can help. If not, you could try posting to w:Talk:Hyderabad and see if that might rustle up anyone who's interested. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:40, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for raising the problem here. After some searching I found the following lists and maps: w:List of Hyderabad Corporation wards. They might help in defining the boundaries of each of the districts for our purposes. Xsobev (talk) 15:00, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, those boundaries don't correspond to the Hyderabad boundary on OpenStreetMap (or the one on Google Maps), and also don't seem to be helpful to the traveler (natural destinations are split between zones). So I think it better not to use those. Ar2332 (talk) 21:18, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for raising the problem here. After some searching I found the following lists and maps: w:List of Hyderabad Corporation wards. They might help in defining the boundaries of each of the districts for our purposes. Xsobev (talk) 15:00, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- It seems that the Hyderabad page meets most of the "don'ts" regarding districtification: Wikivoyage:Geographical_hierarchy#Districts_in_cities. I think it would be best (for the traveler) at the moment to revert the distrification and merge all the district pages back into the main page until we have at least a "comprehensive districts hierarchy for the city, which has no gaps, no overlap". However, I don't want to see your time and effort being wasted, so reverting should take the district page information into account (for example according to the suggestion: "to breed content for a district(s), you can create a subsection for that district(s) in the respective section (See, Do, Eat, Sleep) in the main city article"). I'm also open to any other proposals ... Xsobev (talk) 11:56, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- Has this ever been resolved? Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:39, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
- I haven't followed the development of this article in a long while, but I quickly checked now and it seems it hasn't yet been resolved. I think the "wards" I mentioned earlier might help in defining district boundaries, since they seem to be small enough so that they can be grouped together flexibly. I quickly checked on Openstreetmap, and they seem to be mapped there. Unfortunately they don't have wikidata items yet, so we can't immediately use our magic mapshape template with wikidata parameter to create a dynamic map with district boundaries. My other points mentioned above also still hold I think. Xsobev (talk) 08:53, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
This was never resolved. Until 2012 there was a set of districts defined here, which I just discovered. To be honest, I would like to go back to this with minor-to-moderate changes. It fits the official city boundaries, and entirely covers the area within those boundaries.
Looking over past discussions and doing a bit more research online, I would like to make the following changes to the 2012 districts:
- Old City becomes a new district, carved out of "South", from the area between the river and the train tracks
- New City becomes a new district, carved out of "Central", on the north side of the river, approximately equal in area to Old City.
- North Zone includes Secunderabad (even though it's technically separate from Hyderabad) and the combined article is named "North and Secunderabad" or similar.
Ar2332 (talk) 08:41, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
- I've begun redistrictifying. The "Central" article will include the entire Central Zone. Someone later with local knowledge is welcome to divide it up into several articles should they desire. Ar2332 (talk) 14:06, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
- Excellent. Thank you. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:04, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
MMTS stations
[edit]I deleted the list of MMTS (commuter rail) stops. The stops can be seen on the map, and the tracks are drawn as a prominent black line. So the only information that is being deleted is the list of destinations adjacent to each stops. This list consists mostly of obscure sites that seem unlikely to interest the tourist. The sites of importance already (generally) have map coordinates, and it's easy to see from the map which station is close by (as well as exact directions). So I am deleting the list. If anyone wants to use it as an information source in the future, here it is.
- 1 Vidyanagar MMTS Station (VAR) (Ramaiah's Institute, City Central Library, Thyagaraya Gana Sabha Cultural Auditorium, Lord Venkateshwara Temple, Sri Anjaneya Swamy Temple, Sri Venkateswara Swamy Temple all last four in Chikkadpally, Shivam temple on Shivam Road, Ahobil Mutt and Ayyappa Swamy temples on Shivam Road, Sri Ramana Theatere, Sufi Amber Baba Dargah, Jama Masjid, Irani Hotel, Guruvaurappan Temple, Ali Cafe, Shivam temple, Sheraton Hotel, Indo Bright Seva at Patel Nagar all last nine in Amberpet are accessible from here).
- 2 Jamia Osmania MMTS Station (JOO) (Ramnagar Chowrastha, Community Hall in Ramnagar are accessible from here).
- 3 Arts College MMTS Station (ATC) (Kalyanam Shopping Mall, Rajiv Gandhi International Stadium, Kakatiya Recreation Club, Ganesha Temple, Sri Sita Rama Temple, Sri Sai Baba Temple, Datta Mandir, Sri Rama Temple, Sivalayam, Anjaneya Swamy Temple, Mataji Temple //Velugu Gutta Hill - Green Hills Colony/, Masjid E Bilal, Mosque in Nacharam and Mosque at Rajiv Gandhi International Cricket Stadium all in Habsiguda suburb, Arts college building, Masjid-E-Kousar, Masjid-E-noor-E-Mohammadiya, Sri Subrahmanyaswamy Temple, Mumtaz Hotel all six in Warsiguda, Hanuman temple in Adikmet suburb are accessible from here).
- 4 Sitaphalmandi MMTS Station (STPD) (English and Foreign Languages University, Big Bazaar Shopping mall in Tarnaka suburb are accessible from here).
- 5 Secunderabad (Railway Station) MMTS Station (SC) (Marredpally Cricket Ground in Marredpally, Swapnalok Complex, Minerva Complex shopping malls both in Patny, Sri Venkateshwara Swamy temple, Sai Baba Temple, 7 Temples (Edu gullu), Dattatriya temple, Tadbund Sri Hanuman Temple, Siddhidhatri Dhurgabhavani Temple, Ancient Lord Siva Temple behind Post office, Dattariya Temple, Sri Ganesh Temple, Lord Shri Ayyappa Swami Temple behind Sai Dham and Market Yard Veggie. Market in Bowenpally, RD Convention Center and the Cine Planet multiplex in Kompally, Rainbow Shopping Mall, old British Jail, the Medical college, Lord Thirumalaeshwara Ranganath Swami temple, Historic Gunrock Water Tank all last five in Trimulgherry suburb, Karkhana suburb, Balanagar suburb are accessible from here). Platforms #6 and 7: Used by Hyderabad MMTS and Suburban transits rail traffic.
- 6 James Street MMTS Station (JET) (Paradise Hotel, Chermas retail store, Asrani Hotel, General Bazaar, Ramgopalpet Police Stationand Malani Building all on the M.G.Road, Al-Karim Trade Center, Hotel Balajee Palace, Bombay Hotel all last three in Rani Gunj suburb, Minister Road, Hussain sagar lake are accessible from here).
- 7 Sanjeevaiah Park MMTS Station (SJVP) (On the banks of the Hussain Sagar lake. - Jogi bear Park, Sanjivaiah Park and Jalavihar Park, Eat Street and Water Front restaurants all at the Necklace road, Minister road, Pattigadda suburb are accessible from here).
- 8 Begumpet MMTS Station (BMT) (Nizamia observatory, Saradhi Studios, HUDA Maitrivanam, Huda Swarna Jayanti Complex, Aditya Trade centre, Satyam Cinema Theatre, Ameerpet Gurudwara, Elephant House all in Ameerpet suburb, Greenlands suburb, Hotel Fortune Katriya in Somajiguda suburb, Panjagutta suburb and Brahmanwadi suburb are accessible from here).
- 9 Nature Cure Hospital MMTS Station (NCHS) (Nature Cure Hospital, Hindu temple Balkampet Yellamma temple in Balkampet suburb, Sanjeeva Reddy Nagar suburb are accessible from here).
- 10 Fateh Nagar MMTS Station (FNB) (D-Mart retail store, Sunday market at Sanathnagar-Erragadda main road, Hanuman temple, St. Theresa's Church, Baptist Church and St. Paul's church all at Czech colony, Jafri Masjid, Masjid-e-Quba & Masjid-e-Ibrahimia, all in Sanathnagar suburb, Balanagar suburb, Yellamma Gudi suburb are accessible from here).
- 11 Bharat Nagar MMTS Station (BTNR) (Shoppers Stop, Hyper City, westside, brand Factory, coupons, woman's world, south India Mall, CMR, R.S. Brothers, Chandana Brothers, Chennai shopping mall, Asian Cinema and Cinepolis Multiplexes all in Kukatpally suburb, Moosapeta suburb, Seven Hills Venkateswara Swami temple, Abhayanjaneya Swami temple, Anjaneya Swami temple at Brindavan Colony, Hanuman Temple at Bandari Layout, Srisitaramalayam (1500s) all these temples in Nizampet suburb are accessible from here).
- 12 Borabanda MMTS Station (BRBD) (Allapur, Gayatrinagar, Tulasinagar, Mothi Nagar, Rajeev Nagar suburbs, Rythu bazaar for vegetables and Gokul Therater in Erragadda area are accessible from here).
- 13 Hi-Tec City MMTS Station (HTCY) (Kukatpally Housing Board colony KPHB suburb, Hyundai Research and Development Center in Izzat Nagar, Novotel or HITEX Hyderabad Convention Centre, Hotel Avasa, Westin Hotel, LemonTree Hotel, Redfox Hotel, Shilparamam Auditorium, Arts and crafts center, State Gallery of Arts, Fortune Towers, Inorbit Mall, News Cafe, Hotel Daspalla all in Madhapur suburb, JNTU, are accessible from here.).
- 14 Hafeezpet MMTS Station (HFZ) (Madhapur, Kondapur, Miyapur, PJR Badminton Indoor Stadium are accessible from here).
- 15 Chanda Nagar MMTS Station (CDNR). Chandanagar, Madinaguda, Sai Baba Temple are accessible from here
- 16 Lingampalli MMTS Station (LPI) (BHEL township, University of Hyderabad, Huda Trade Center are accessible from here). Headstation for Lines: Lingampalli - Hyderabad (daily 23 trains), Lingampalli - Falaknuma (daily 28 trains)
Same way to Begumpet, further
- 17 Necklace Road MMTS Station (NLRD) (Raj Bhavan Road, Somajiguda, Panjagutta, M S Makhta, Katriya Hotel & Towers are accessible from here).
- 18 Khairatabad MMTS Station (KQD). Banjara Hills, Raj Bhavan Road, NTR Gardens, Chintal Basti, Lake View Guest House, Taj Deccan Hotel are accessible from here
- 19 Lakdi-ka-pul MMTS Station (LKPL) (State Assembly, Red Hills quarter, public gardens, Masab Tank, Nilofer Hospital, Birla Mandir, Chacha Nehru Park, Lumbini Park are accessible from here).
- 20 Hyderabad Deccan MMTS Station (HYB, Nampally, Telugu: నాంపల్లి రైల్వే స్టేషన్), Nampally Station Rd, Red Hills, Lakdikapul (Andhra Pradesh State Museum, Salar Jung Museum, Charminar, Hyderguda, Lal Bahadur Shastri Stadium Cricket Ground, Moazzam Jahi Market, Dargah Yousufain temple, Devi Bagh, Criminal Courts are accessible from here). Headstation for Lines: Hyderabad - Falaknuma (daily 3-5 trains), Hyderabad - Lingampalli (daily 23-26 trains).
Merge?
[edit]A lot of the districts are at outline status. We should perhaps merge the Old City and the south, and separately merge Secunderabad and North Hyderabad. Just a thought. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 00:12, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
- I will work on Hyderabad this month. For a city with an eventful history, metro area of 7,100 km2 (2,700 sq mi) and population of over 10 million, 7 districts is not a lot. Gizza (roam) 02:20, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
- Oh, okay. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 02:58, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
- I'm against merging Old City and South, but might support merging Secunderabad and North Hyderabad. They are geographically intertwined and have a small total number of attractions. Ar2332 (talk) 07:04, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, I can understand why merging historic and newer town regions might not be the best idea for the tourist. Thanks for your feedback, though. Could you expand a little on "might support". For example, are there any problems with merging Secunderabad and North Hyderabad? All the best, --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 19:57, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
- They are technically different municipalities, so it might be a bad idea to combine them while one of the municipalities is itself split into multiple pages. Ar2332 (talk) 06:24, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
- I see. Well, it would be useful if I could get a clear "support" or "oppose" from either Gizza or Ar2332, or even both of you, so I can know whether or not I should move forward with merging Secunderabad and North Hyderabad. Thanks for your input so far, though, and maybe you would be interested in my merge proposal for Ahmedabad as well. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 22:12, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
- If one more person votes "support", I will go along with them. Otherwise no. Ar2332 (talk) 19:12, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
- Changed my mind. I am now a "yes" and I made the change. Ar2332 (talk) 15:18, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- If one more person votes "support", I will go along with them. Otherwise no. Ar2332 (talk) 19:12, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
- I see. Well, it would be useful if I could get a clear "support" or "oppose" from either Gizza or Ar2332, or even both of you, so I can know whether or not I should move forward with merging Secunderabad and North Hyderabad. Thanks for your input so far, though, and maybe you would be interested in my merge proposal for Ahmedabad as well. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 22:12, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
- They are technically different municipalities, so it might be a bad idea to combine them while one of the municipalities is itself split into multiple pages. Ar2332 (talk) 06:24, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, I can understand why merging historic and newer town regions might not be the best idea for the tourist. Thanks for your feedback, though. Could you expand a little on "might support". For example, are there any problems with merging Secunderabad and North Hyderabad? All the best, --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 19:57, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
- This merger between North Hyderabad and Secunderabad wasn't a good idea. The two areas are very different. Unless anyone has strong objections, I am going to undo the merger when I get to it. Ravikiran (talk) 02:11, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Nehru ORR Route Map
[edit]It might be a good idea to insert the route map found at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Ring_Road,_Hyderabad in the Get around section of this page, but I am not sure how to do it. Any help would be appreciated! Ravikiran (talk) 02:16, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
- I don't know, because that seems to be on Wikipedia only, not Commons. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:44, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah. It seems to be a lot more complicated than a simple image see: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Outer_Ring_Road,_Hyderabad&action=edit§ion=2#editform
A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion
[edit]The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 07:38, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- This map is literally copied from the ltmetro site. I don't see how it can be argued to be free to copy. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:53, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- ??? How did that image even pass the licence reviewers? I would argue to speedy delete that image SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:10, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- What's the evidence that anyone had reviewed its license? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:19, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- There was no "mark as patrolled" button for that image. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:22, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- Is there usually? For "license reviewers"? I didn't know about them. And there are no ways such a map could end up as PD in India? –LPfi (talk) 10:30, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- Maybe, but presumably not on a page with "copyright, all rights reserved" on the bottom. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:54, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- OK. I didn't see the image or its description before it was deleted. –LPfi (talk) 12:09, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- Maybe, but presumably not on a page with "copyright, all rights reserved" on the bottom. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:54, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- Is there usually? For "license reviewers"? I didn't know about them. And there are no ways such a map could end up as PD in India? –LPfi (talk) 10:30, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- There was no "mark as patrolled" button for that image. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:22, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- What's the evidence that anyone had reviewed its license? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:19, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- ??? How did that image even pass the licence reviewers? I would argue to speedy delete that image SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:10, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- This map is literally copied from the ltmetro site. I don't see how it can be argued to be free to copy. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:53, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
Hospitals to districts?
[edit]A {{movetodistrict}} was added to the Hospitals section. Is that wise? If you need a hospital, I think you should be ready to travel to another district to visit it – and you shouldn't need to read all district articles to find the one that is best for your case. Conversely, the hospitals should be described in a way that allows an informed choice, and there is no need to list several hospitals that serve the same function. I wonder whether the current listings are mostly touting of the hospitals listed. I have a hard time imagining the traveller who on a visit realizes they need to visit a cancer hospital – and if they travel for that need, they need to know the hospital to search for it in this (or a district!) article. —The preceding comment was added by LPfi (talk • contribs) 07:19, May 23, 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'm usually skeptical of such listings. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:09, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
- I agree – hospitals should go in the main article, not in individual district articles. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 12:30, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support per nom. I already had listed hospitals district-wise in Kolkata. If the consensus is to list hospitals in the main article, it should be mentioned somewhere else. --Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 04:54, 27 May 2023 (UTC)