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Hi, Vaticidalprophet, and thanks as always for adding so much great content!

We all know you're not here to tout anything, but be careful to avoid putting things other than genuine alternate names (such as a former name a place is better known as or in countries in which English isn't the first language or attractions in Australia with Aboriginal names visitors might want to know, the local/Aboriginal name) in "alt", as you did here, and remember, too, that there's such a thing as location touting; if a restaurant-owner posted that their restaurant was "down one of Melbourne's most iconic laneways", I'd tend to consider that location touting and would want to advise them to just include the location in their address and geocoordinates and focus on describing the restaurant itself, though I could see where that might be debatable. And "modern" in "modern Australian" isn't something I'd consider capitalising, though I could see where someone might disagree. Anyway, these are all small things, though I think they add up somewhat when considering tone. In no way would I make a federal case out of any of this, and I think you should have latitude to make these choices (other than on the alternate names - non-alternate names should be removed), so think of this just as some food for thought.

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:24, 7 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

No worries, @Ikan Kekek:. I wasn't sure which of the multiple names I've seen listed for the place was the primary one, so I went to alt-names, but I did wonder if the list was overlong. I see what you mean about location; the "Modern Australian" cuisine being capitalized was because that's a reference to the name of the cuisine, but I can see how it might look odd in the context of elsewhere. I'm trying to figure out the ideal tone balance still -- it's a fun balance, but a bit bumpy at times. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 08:05, 8 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

We have new American cuisine too; should that be capitalized? I'm not sure; maybe you're right, as I guess Nouvelle Cuisine is capitalized when neither word would be on its own. Anyway, I'm not very concerned and mainly just happy you're here! Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:19, 8 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

I hate to quibble again, but that hyphenated adjective has no obvious meaning. Best to give some examples of prices if you can.

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:08, 10 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Was a copyedit from 'reasonable priced', so I'm afraid I'm unsure what would be better (I haven't gone there myself). Vaticidalprophet (talk) 08:18, 10 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

I'd just remove the phrase, then. It's in the first entry on words to avoid. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:27, 10 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Cut the sentence, after some attempts to get the sentence without the 'reasonably-priced' section to flow smoothly and failing. I did have some doubts during the original copyedit, because I recalled seeing something about it. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 08:47, 10 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

You could leave in the info for smokers. Anyway, carry on! Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:59, 10 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

These do seem to be real places, but may be too small to warrant an article. I will keep an eye on this contributor. Ground Zero (talk) 17:27, 17 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

	The Wikivoyage Barncompass
	See the full message at User talk:LivelyRatification SHB2000 (talk) 12:09, 23 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi Vaticidalprophet

I was wondering if there's a potential for an article on Overland travel between Brisbane and Melbourne, and would you be interested in helping out on one? I've only been on 40% of the route but I know someone who makes the trip regularly who tells me info about it. Would you mind helping me on it? SHB2000 (talk) 05:09, 27 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hey, SHB. Not a route I have much familiarity with, I'm afraid, but I may be able to do minor tweaks to anything you can get up and running. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 01:10, 28 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

The main part I might need help is the Victorian section. I'm fine with the NSW and QLD section. SHB2000 (talk) 03:56, 28 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi Vaticidalprophet. Thanks for adding feedback to several of the banner discussions I opened a couple of weeks ago. If possible, please share your thoughts in the discussion too, where we currently don't have a firm decision for any of the options. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 15:28, 28 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi Vat, some good news. By looking at your edits, both on wikivoyage and and on wikipedia. And I can tell you, the western half of Victorian articles would be very different. If not for you. I really want to nominate you for adminship but there is one thing that's stopping me from doing so. The number of edits: Once you've passed your 600th edit. I'll nominate you as I know you have a clear, and knowledgeable understanding of WV policies as well as it's the reason why you were granted patroller rights one day after I did (plus, you've been here for 4 years now). And the fact that you get involved with discussions and janitorial work of WV, I think you'd be a very suitable person for admin.

Let me know if your interested.

Cheers, and stay warm from the upcoming coldfront (16˚ is cold, isn't it?)

SHB2000 (talk) 08:17, 13 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Well, I'm certainly flattered! I don't think I'd pass RfA at this time -- most of those four years have been as a reader, not an editor. Edit count is always a complex and vague measure, and there are people with much more or much less experience than their own implies, but I'd want more opinions on if mine is an understatement before I accept any noms. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 12:11, 14 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

By looking at your enwiki contributions, you'd certainly not abuse these tools. Plus, you meet all the criteria for RfA. But on Special:RecentChanges, you're still considered a learner due to the number of edits. SHB2000 (talk) 12:18, 14 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Vaticidalprophet:, only two more edits until your an extended confirmed user. SHB2000 (talk) 10:27, 15 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Happy 500th edit mate! I've almost made it to the 3450 mark SHB2000 (talk) 13:12, 15 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Forgot about this but I'll nominate you when the URP for Antandrus is over. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:38, 22 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Vaticidalprophet: I don't think you would pass such a nomination at this stage. You need good familiarity with most of Wikivoyage's policies, a longer editing record, and a proven interest in the running of the site beyond article creation. Of those, I'd say you're noticeably developing the latter, and the other two will come with time. Adminship isn't a reward for developing a bunch of articles, but an extra set of responsibilities.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 07:58, 22 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, I noticed that Vat still hasn't used the rollback feature. [1] SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:00, 22 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

No it doesn't. It has recommended seats but no reserved seats unlike Melbourne or Bendigo. SHB2000 (talk) 12:27, 15 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, I didn't add anything until I was sure. Are the recommended seats still visually distinguished from the others, e.g. by being in a different colour? I'm not sure in practice how 'reserved' the ones in Melbourne are -- plenty of people who aren't in those categories use them anyway. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 12:31, 15 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

They're in red, but that's only on old buses. The newer ones don't have them at all. Metro has a set space for disabled people but people just sit there and Ferry, Train and Light Rail/Tram have none :( SHB2000 (talk) 12:38, 15 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I've semi-protected your page (autoconfirmed only) for one week. Please let me know if you'd like it to be lifted before the week has expired, but I'd be reluctant to do so for the remainder of today.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:28, 20 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I was trying to figure out where to request it. Thanks for that. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 10:28, 20 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I'd like all autopatrolled users pages to be protected but maybe not now at this stage. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 10:29, 20 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Unfortunately that's not feasible with the tools I have at my disposal.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:30, 20 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Vat in future just go on recent changes, find an active sysop and ping them.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:31, 20 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, I'd first like a tool where I can patrol multiple edits in a row in one click rather than 10 or so. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 10:32, 20 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Swept in from the pub

Does Wikivoyage have, or want, any kind of global rights policy (which of the other English projects, Wikipedia, Simple (which for some reason I can't link), Wikibooks, and Wikinews have)? I'm curious in particular about global rollback, considering that hasn't (AFAICT) been unbundled on this project. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 03:12, 3 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I don't see why I'd want such rights. Maybe some other bureaucrat or admin might. Anyone? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:14, 3 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

To make it clear, this would be a policy as to what people with global rights already (e.g. grollbackers, stewards, etc) are and aren't allowed to use on Wikivoyage, such as whether global rollbackers are allowed to use rollback here (they're restricted on some projects). Vaticidalprophet (talk) 09:37, 3 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Oh. Are you sure stewards don't have the right to roll back a series of edits here? We've had some excellent help from stewards who've gotten rid of vandalism and blocked vandals. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:40, 3 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I suppose it would be an opt-out policy, as small projects need the global people handling things until they decide they can stand on their own. I have seen few problematic actions from global rights users, so I don't think we need a policy – which would need maintenance when the systems change. I suppose the defaults are good enough, and otherwise we can return to the subject when we notice problems. –LPfi (talk) 10:04, 3 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I'm grateful for the help stewards have given us. It's been very important at times when there weren't admins around to take care of things. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:46, 3 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I don't think that we want any sort of restrictive policy. The only policy that I can imagine us wanting would say "Help wanted" and "Thank you". WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:07, 3 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Vaticidalprophet (and others): An interlanguage link has three parts, and sometimes you need all three. The parts are project, language, and page. If you don't include the project, it assumes that you mean the same project that you're already at (Wikivoyage). If you don't include the language, it assumes that you mean your language (English, for most of us). If you don't include the page, it takes you to the main page. Therefore:

• [[w:en:WP:GRP]] means Wikipedia – English – page named "WP:GRP"
• [[w:simple:Wikipedia:Global rights policy]] means Wikipedia – Simple English – page named "Wikipedia:Global rights policy"
• [[b:en:WB:GRP]] means Wikibooks – English – page named "WP:GRP"

The language code is always the bit from the URL (e.g., "ja" for Japanese, not "jp" or "Japan" or "Japanese").

If you are at another project, then the project code for Wikivoyage is voy: That means that (elsewhere), you link to [[voy:en:Wikivoyage:Travellers' pub]] to get to this page.

In case anyone is wondering, it is "legal" to prefix all blue links (except relative links to /subpages, which won't work) with a : (as in [[:w:en:WP:GRP]]). This is usually unnecessary but will prevent you from accidentally making interlanguage links, adding the page you're editing to a category, or adding images to the page you're editing (assuming your link is to a file). WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:19, 3 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Yes, help wanted and thank you indeed! Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:24, 3 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi there, your opinion is requested in Talk:Jervis Bay. I've proposed a major change and if done, this is fairly significant and will disrupt a number of articles. Thanks and take care, SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:53, 5 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

	The South Australian Barncompass
	This Barncompass is to show appreciation for your great work editing South Australian and Victorian. Just created a couple of new barncompasses --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 05:44, 15 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thank you! Vaticidalprophet (talk) 05:54, 15 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

By the way, could you please share your opinion about Barncompass 2-4 letter codes on the pub? Thanks, SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 06:02, 15 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

In a VFD discussion, you write "having started the Taiwan redirect discussion". What redirect discussion? I see nothing on the Taiwan talk page. Pashley (talk) 09:44, 28 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

That would be Wikivoyage:Votes for deletion/April 2021#Taiwan redirects. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 09:49, 28 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Right, thanks. Pashley (talk) 10:48, 28 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

I'm wondering if it should stay as a red link, or become a city/rural area article. The main thing in Beveridge is Ned Kelly's childhood home, but I've covered that in Ned Kelly tourism (which I started today). I'm not too sure whether this is your area of expertise, since from your contributions, Melbourne and Western Victoria seems to be your area of expertise, but this is just north of Melbourne. I've been there once, but never in the town centre. Just to see Kelly's old childhood home. Would you know of anything that could build it up into an article? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 04:57, 6 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

Not particularly familiar with the place, I'm afraid. So far as I know it's more of a suburb/exurb than a town, so it would more naturally be covered in Melbourne/Northern suburbs than its own article. Could be a redirect to there, if you can get enough content. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 05:21, 6 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

There's not much to what I know, so I'll just redirect it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 05:31, 6 July 2021 (UTC)Reply