User talk:ויקיג'אנקי Voyage Tips and guide

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Hello, ויקיג'אנקי! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. If you are familiar with Wikipedia, take a look over some of the differences here. --Saqib (talk) 15:27, 7 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi ויקיג'אנקי! Thanks for your contributions! You have changed the Eilat banner recently. Usually, when an existing custom banner is changed (replaced), there should be a brief discussion at the talk page explaining reasons. I quite like you new banner. Still there is a problem with the banner size. As you have edited banners before, you might know the ratio must be 7:1. See Banner expedition for some details. Can you fix it?

And one more thing: when you make an edit, please don't forget to fill in the Summary field describing briefly what you have done and why. Thanks and happy editing. --Danapit (talk) 07:18, 25 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi there, thanks for your contributions on this wiki and creating some nice page banners, but as my fellow Wikivoyager Danapit said above, please first discuss on the talk page when you want to replace the existing custom page banner on the articles talk page. I recently thought of giving you auto-patroller right since your contributions on this wiki are constructive and useful but I'm sorry to say it won't be granted until you co-operate with us. --Saqib (talk) 18:45, 30 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

I see. Unfortunately, at this time I do not have all the time in the world to invest here for the purpose of discussing every single change I am currently making - you see, I am currently fully involved in developing the Hebrew Wikivoyage (where I am currently the most active user) and as part of my efforts there I am currently creating around 20-40 banners in the instances in which existing banners are not good enough. They are all derivative works of existing panoramic photos from Wikicommns. I am doing this first and foremost in order to improve the Hebrew Wikivoyage, although I am sure many other Wikivoyage editions would eventually rather use many of these banners instead as well. In my own opinion, it would be a shame if there won't be an easier way to go about this but to make me get involved in 20-40 different consensus reaching discussions at the same time, on top of all the work I am currently putting into the Hebrew Wikivoyage (this would be impossible). ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 03:58, 31 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

ויקיג'אנקי, I see your point. This discussion is off course not necessary when you changing a banner from default to the first custom banner. But it s a good practice (not a rule) to discuss it when there already is a banner somebody else put lots of effort in - you know yourself that creating a banner is not a strictly trivial process, at least as a courtesy to the other authors. Discussion at the talk page should generally happen when the quality of the banners is comparable, you just feel that yours might be better or appropriate - don't forget we all have different esthetic standards. And you don't have to wait for the consensus either, instead you can change the banner right away and wait if somebody objects, which doesn't happen all that frequently, although we've had some rather frustrating discussions at some pages (like continents articles, for example, where many people want to express their opinions). When there is no doubt about the quality from your point of view, please just explain your reason in the edit summary. FYI, this is what our existing guideline recommends:

Changing custom banners: Poor quality banners may be replaced by better quality banners. Banners may be replaced by more appropriate banners. Correctly sized banners are by default more appropriate than incorrectly sized banners. Leave an edit summary explaining why the new banner is more appropriate. If anyone disagrees with a substitution for reasons other than correct sizing or image quality, temporarily replace the banner with the appropriate default banner and get consensus on the article talk page.

But please, don't resign on adding banners to en wv because of this discussion, your input is needed here and highly welcome! --Danapit (talk) 07:19, 31 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

OK. I just hope that in practise I won't be asked to jump through rings of fire only to add some of the nicer looking banners. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 03:46, 1 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi again, since you started to discuss the page banner replacements, I would like to inform you that I've decided to add the autopatrolled right to your account. I hope you'll continue to discuss before changing an existing custom banner on the articles talk page. Please keep making some beautiful page banners. Shalom! --Saqib (talk) 19:55, 31 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

OK. Thanks. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 03:46, 1 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for all the new banners!!!

Best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:19, 23 February 2014 (UTC)Reply

They are really great! I'd just like to ask you to categorise them when you upload them to Commons (like when you add this one add category Wikivoyage banners of Missouri etc.), that way we can keep track of them. Jjtkk (talk) 09:26, 23 February 2014 (UTC)Reply

Thanks. More to come soon. Will categorize soon (but you are more than welcome to help me with that now). ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 21:55, 23 February 2014 (UTC)Reply

Hello!

Kindly check out the district discussion for Jerusalem if you haven't already. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:44, 4 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

Will do. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 18:53, 4 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

Hi there! Thanks for your contributions. I wanted to let you know that I've nominated Template:- for deletion. That doesn't mean it will be deleted, or that your contribution is unwelcome, but I did have some concerns about it, which I've explained at the deletion discussion. As the template creator, your input into why you created the template, and perhaps some suggestions on how to mitigate my concerns, would be very welcome. Thanks! Powers ^(talk) 15:22, 5 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

Hi there. Thanks for the heads up with new banners from he:. I've commented on as many as I could. You might want to give it a break now and let others comment on the ones so far, before overloading us with more. Thanks again! Texugo (talk) 02:56, 5 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

Everyone is free to vote whenever they can. There is no rush. Consensus is not determined overnight and I am not going to put 500 of these - only the ones I created in the last month or so. I rather post all the banners I created in the last month at once so I won't forget any specific ones. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 03:15, 5 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

Ok, no problem. I was just suggesting that they might all get noticed and commented on more if you did it in batches... Texugo (talk) 03:18, 5 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

Hi, some of your new banners are really cool, but could you maybe concentrate first on articles that do not have banners? There are still plenty to do.--Traveler100 (talk) 19:40, 2 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

Hi Traveler100. In the recent year or so I have created around 170 new banners !.

I create the banners first and foremost for the Hebrew Wikivoyage (where I am an admin and the most active user) and only in the cases in which (1) specific articles have no banners (2) specific Wikivoyage banners exist on Engvoy+Wikicommons but better ones should probably be created (in my opinion).

After the work is done and I finish adding the alternative banners I create to the Hebvoy articles, I tend to ask the Engvoy community as well if people here think my alternative banners work better than the ones currently used. In most cases the Engvoy users prefer the existing banners, but I bring this option up here either way.

I do understand how the somewhat chaotic process of content development on wiki based platforms might annoy quite a few editors on this website or on other Wikimedia wiki communities. Nevertheless, you must understand that it is unrealistic to expect me to wait for a specific date in the distant future (the date in which we'll finish creating banners for all Wikivoyage articles) to try and create better alternative banners to the existing ones from the spectacular free licensed photos I discover on Flickr and Wikicommons every once in a while.

I hope you can understand,

ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 20:58, 2 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

this pictures and sec your pictures is true color so english user not Detailed. شاملو (talk) 00:16, 20 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

I am not sure what exactly you meant but I understand it is positive :) I am glad I could help out. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 06:01, 20 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

Hi, glad you agree with me. How to remove this banner wiki data to allow an excuse to take another interesting discussion. :-)

Unfortunately I don't understand your English. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 19:45, 20 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

היי, שמח שאתה מסכים איתי. כיצד להסיר נתונים wiki הבאנר זו כדי לאפשר תירוץ לקחת עוד דיון מעניין. :-) השתמש בגוגל מתרגם adrees: [1]

I understood you use Google Translate. Unfortunately I still don't understand your English because Machine Translation still is light years from being that good (I understand the meaning of the translated words but not of the translated sentences). As of 2014 it is still impossible to have a normal conversation using Google Translate alone. Sorry. ויקיג'אנקי (talk)

	The Wikivoyage Barncompass
	You always win شاملو (talk) 00:21, 20 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the barnstar Shamloo ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 06:02, 20 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

Hi!

I added many banners suggestions, would you have time to have a look? Especially at bottom of page 1 and at page 3. Mexico banners are especially important because Wikimania will happen there. Thanks a lot! Nicolas1981 (talk) 03:41, 16 February 2015 (UTC)Reply

Hi there. I reverted your banner addition here because the photo appears to be of Baía Formosa, in the state of Rio Grande do Norte. Goiás does not have an oceanfront. Texugo (talk) 17:07, 13 March 2015 (UTC)Reply

Thanks. Nicolas1981 suggested I'll make a banner out of that photo. Maybe you know of a different good photo I could use to make a banner of for that article ? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 17:36, 13 March 2015 (UTC)Reply

let me suggest to you researching images of "Itiquira falls" on Google and elsewhere. Beautiful place. Ibaman (talk) 17:45, 13 March 2015 (UTC)Reply

Thanks Ibaman. If it doesn't exist on commons or as a free licensed photo on Flickr, I won't be able to create such a banner though. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 17:47, 13 March 2015 (UTC)Reply

Really appreciate that you are making suggestions for alternative banners for the English Wikivoyage, but I'm wondering why the focus on replacing existing banners rather than seeing if any of your Hebrew banners could help the 66% of English Wikivoyage articles that currently have no banner whatsoever?

In case you haven't done so already, there is a handy long list here: https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Category:Has_default_banner

--Andrewssi2 (talk) 22:15, 11 August 2015 (UTC)Reply

I am working on many different things simultaneously (those 51 banners were created during a period of time longer than a year!). Last time I checked there were missing around 15,000 banners on the English Wikivoyage! I myself am capable of creating 1 decent looking banner per 20-30 mins. I usually spend most of that time looking for a good source image to make the banner from. Do the math yourself - it would take me ages to do the majority of those 15,000 banners in this pace. I am working in my pace, prioritizing according to my own common sense. I am currently the sole main editor in Heb Voy so I cannot focus on banners alone. I probably could have done more of the 15,000 banners if I was payed for my work :) ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 23:38, 11 August 2015 (UTC)Reply

So the banners you are creating on Hebrew WV are generally speaking for articles who corresponding English WV page already has a banner?

Would it not be more efficient to just reuse the English banners in Hebrew Wikivoyage and create banners for articles in both versions that do not yet have them? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:42, 11 August 2015 (UTC)Reply

In general, the way things look visually have always been very important to me, and for that reason, many times I can end up spending a lot of time trying to fix various things that I do not like visually. Either way, what you are suggesting ... is that if I see a banner of a prominent article on Hebvoy which I really don't like... according to you I should wait another 3-4 years (until all 15,000 banners are created) before trying to create a better alternative banner ? I am sorry but that doesn't make sense to me. As long as I am not being payed to create banners, I am going to continue prioritizing the tasks I am going to try accomplishing. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 00:52, 12 August 2015 (UTC)Reply

If you really hate an existing banner then I certainly don't have an issue with you creating an alternative, and some of your banners are in fact better than the originals in English Wikivoyage. I have suggested replacements to existing banners myself on occasion.

I'm only suggesting that if it is taking you 30 minutes to create a typical banner then I would suggest that it would be better to consider using the English version first, that's all. It is your time, paid or otherwise. Thanks. Andrewssi2 (talk) 01:22, 12 August 2015 (UTC)Reply

Bottom line - it takes me around 20-30 mins to do each, and for this reason, the banners I would end up creating out of all the 15,000 left, would probably be only around 1-2% of everything (I'll probably end up creating another 70-200 banners in the next years) - and that would only be accomplished in the course of several years. I rather those banners I end up creating would be for prominent articles that are in desperate need of good banners, and that they would look good visually IMO (I would not create banners that I don't like, just because I want to get one more done, out of the 15,000 missing).

This feedback from you has got me to think of one possible crazy idea/solution to the lack of Wikivoyagers focusing on creating all missing 15,000 banners. I will bring up my idea in the Travellers' pub soon. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 02:19, 12 August 2015 (UTC)Reply

Just as a friendly reminder (on the subject of engaging other Wikivoyagers); you previously made this article list for people to suggest source images. A number of editors indeed posted suggestions, but many of those where never used. Perhaps they can be useful for you? JuliasTravels (talk) 12:32, 12 August 2015 (UTC)Reply

Unfortunately, not all suggestions are actually good source images for panoramic banners. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 12:51, 12 August 2015 (UTC)Reply

Hello and Shanah Tovah! Thanks for all the great work you do!

I love the new pagebanner you put on Baltimore/Midtown, but I suggest you read Wikivoyage:Votes for deletion#File:Baltimore pennstation banner.jpg and File:Baltimore pennstation banner EDITED.jpg and make a comment, because both the pagebanner you replaced and your banner have a potential copyright-violation problem in regard to the statue in front of the train station. I'm not suggesting you delete your pagebanner or remove it from the page, but I think it's important for you to know it's a problem under discussion. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:57, 14 September 2015 (UTC)Reply

I see. Well, this statue is already in a different photo stored in Wikicommons (see Baltimore_Penn_Station_during_Artscape,_2014.jpg). If specific users want to call for the immidiate removal of that photo and my new banner, they are more then welcome to open a deletion request in Wikicommons, and we'll see what the admins there would decide. From what I have read it seems to me that many people in Baltimore really dislike that statue and want it removed from the Baltimore Penn Station - that might explain the real reason for why this user is seeking to have a different banner. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 05:49, 14 September 2015 (UTC)Reply

I'm smiling because I like that idea, but I don't think that's the reason for the proposal to delete the files on this site. :-) Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:54, 14 September 2015 (UTC)Reply

Hi there. I just want to make sure that you're aware of Wikivoyage:Consensus. Majority vote is not how decisions are made. As for Talk:Dallas/Downtown, I don't think there's a clear consensus to change the banner for the Downtown article. It would be better to explore the suggestion of using it for the Dallas article, where the banner would probably also have more visibility. JuliasTravels (talk) 21:10, 1 October 2015 (UTC)Reply

I started a discussion on this matter at the Travellers' pub ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 01:23, 2 October 2015 (UTC)Reply

I want to let you know that I've taken note of the number of pagebanners you've been adding to articles that hadn't had one. The next time someone complains that you are only interested in substituting banners on pages that already have one, I've got your back.

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:52, 22 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

Thanks! I got to say though that the majority of the new banners I have created in the recent month are from the last big round of banners I created first and foremost for Hebvoy articles (during the last month I created around +200 new banners and by doing so I managed to get banners on almost all of the Hebvoy articles - out of the 2,140 articles we have on the Hebvoy main space, 2,130 have a unique custom made banner!!). The few articles that didn't get custom banners are mostly of itinerary articles of non notable places in Israel (and thus it is hard to find a picture available to be used for those banners).

I'm currently focused mainly on making better banners for the Hebvoy articles with banners that aren't good enough according to the Hebvoy community consensus.

I got to note though, that every once in a while, when I do come across a nice panoramic picture on Flickr of a notable place, in many times I end up creating a new banner of the panoramic photo and add the banner to Engvoy if the article about that place on Engvoy does not have any banner (that's the case with the recent banners I added on Envoy). ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 04:20, 23 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

Mazel tov! That's a terrific achievement for Hebvoy to have only 10 articles with no custom banner! Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:27, 23 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

Thanks. I myself feel though that we on Hebvoy would only complete the big banners milestone when we'll mostly have good decent banners for most of the articles on Hebvoy (hopefully, I'll manage to find many good alternative panoramic photos for around 400 articles on Hebvoy that currently have banners which need to be replaced according to the Hebvoy community consensus). ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 05:14, 23 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

I'll look forward to seeing those. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:47, 23 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

Greetings, ויקיג'אנקי! I've returned to edit here, but due to my unfamiliarity with Wikivoyage templates I've encountered difficulty. Kindly review what I wrote in Talk:Akko#Get in: by Bus where I got stuck. I'd appreciate your advice on how to proceed. -- Cheers, Deborahjay (talk) 17:53, 15 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

Hi! I need your help. he:דיסנילנד is using commons:File:Disneyland hub banner.jpg as its banner, but I need to delete it from Commons (because of the statue). Can you upload it locally to the Hebrew Wikivoyage? Powers ^(talk) 20:07, 3 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

OK. Thanks for the heads up. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 03:27, 4 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

Hi, See my comments on your recent edit of Israeli Coastal Plain - let's continue the discussion at Talk:Israel. Ar2332 (talk) 20:26, 27 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Swept in from the pub

Why does the dynamic map in the Pasadena article have the borders of the city marked on the dynamic map in that article, even though template:Mapmask is not used in that specific article? where is the data about the border located? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 06:40, 31 December 2016 (UTC)Reply

Have a look at {{mapshape}}, which is what's used in the Pasadena article. -- Ryan • (talk) • 06:51, 31 December 2016 (UTC)Reply

So mapshape calls it from Wikidata? is there any easy way for me to copy the actual code of the border to Hebvoy to be used there with template:Mapmask, or do I have to create {{mapshape}} on hebvoy as well? (If I am not mistaken, I tried to import {{mapshape}} to hebvoy but it didn't work. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 14:08, 31 December 2016 (UTC)Reply

Creating the mapshape template (along with its dependencies) on Hebrew Wikivoyage would be the easiest solution. You should only need {{mapshape}} and {{mapshape/Inner}} to make it work - everything else is handled by mw:Help:Extension:Kartographer. -- Ryan • (talk) • 15:55, 31 December 2016 (UTC)Reply

Does mapshape call this information from Wikidata? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 16:46, 31 December 2016 (UTC)Reply

I just tried to see if it would work on Hebvoy ... and it gave me the following error (which I translated, so it might not be exact to the English written error) - "<Maplink>: it was impossible to decode JSON due to: syntax error". ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 16:51, 31 December 2016 (UTC)Reply

I tried to implement {{mapshape}} on Hebrew Wikivoyage, but the version of {{mapframe}} being used there does not use mw:Help:Extension:Kartographer, so until that is changed you won't be able to use the latest functionality. You can revert any of the changes I just made on your site. -- Ryan • (talk) • 17:05, 31 December 2016 (UTC)Reply

I tried import the new {{mapframe}} but now all the articles that use this template give the following error: "<Mapframe>: "show" has non-valid value <Maplink>: it was impossible to decode JSON due to: syntax error"

User:Wrh2, how do I fix that? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 17:26, 31 December 2016 (UTC)Reply

Sorry, I don't know how to fix it. -- Ryan • (talk) • 17:32, 31 December 2016 (UTC)Reply

Functionality Could it be a rtl text problem? @ויקיג'אנקי:, have you posted anything to mw:Maps or phab:? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:34, 31 December 2016 (UTC)Reply

I don't know how to do that. could you help me post a request for help on mw:Maps and/or phab:? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 03:50, 9 February 2017 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for finding a good banner for the Kenosha article. I've been trying to find a decent one for several months now. DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 19:42, 5 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

No problem. If you live in that area, it would have probably been easier for you to just take your own panoramic photo, upload it to commons and crop it to standard dimensions. I found this one on Flickr and luckily it looked good enough and had the license which allowed me to import + crop it. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 17:30, 6 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

Swept in from the pub

I have a technical question about the Hebrew Wikivoyage version of the Template:See template... (the question is technical so you don't need to know Hebrew to help with this one). I would like to change the way this template displays a certain element ... the external URL link which is supplied with that template... so that the external link would be displayed under a globe icon, instead of how it is currently displayed as a link from the main name of the attraction (the same way this is implemented with all the listings templates of the French Wikivoyage). Do you by any chance know which template/code I need to edit in order to make such a change? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 19:26, 10 March 2017 (UTC)Reply

The globe icon is part of the {{listing}} template and existed briefly here before being discarded. The link style (and colour) is most likely in Mediawiki:Common.css (although there's also a skin-specific Mediawiki:Vector.css). Mediawiki: namespace pages are protected so that only admins may edit. K7L (talk) 19:36, 10 March 2017 (UTC)Reply

K7L, I went over the 2 pages + 1 template you mentioned above at the French Wikivoyage - Modèle:Voir+Mediawiki:Common.css+Mediawiki:Vector.css - but I still couldn't find any trace of "Blue_globe_icon.svg". Where in their code did they add it? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 19:50, 10 March 2017 (UTC)Reply

The {{see}} (voir) template is merely a wrapper around {{listing}}. I'd try fr:modèle:listing or its history. K7L (talk) 00:58, 11 March 2017 (UTC)Reply

K7L, thanks for the tip. template:listing was indeed the template which needed to be fixed. works well now. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 04:38, 12 March 2017 (UTC)Reply

For the Travellers' pub.jpg file. I add it to our local Traveller's Pub template. Regards, Winter^eu 05:25, 2 April 2017 (UTC)Reply

Swept in from the pub

Is it possible to convert page pile # 8670, which contains only Wikidata items, to the names of the parallel article names on the English Wikivoyage? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 05:48, 24 April 2017 (UTC)Reply

I wonder if a SPARQL query (or other Wikidata search tool) against Wikidata could do the trick... I know that one can check a few IDs at a time with a Lua module and output the enwikivoyage info (used on Wikivoyage itself) but not 15,000+ IDs at one time. -- Matroc (talk) 01:06, 27 April 2017 (UTC)Reply

Swept in from the pub

Someone at the Hebrew Wikivoyage just mentioned that the scale of this map is wrong since the size of that area is 7,037 sq km. Is he/she correct? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 13:14, 18 August 2017 (UTC)Reply

I tried to check this using the distance tool on Google maps on the highways. It looks to me as for the big map, the 20 km are actually rather 10 km. The 5 km on the small map look okayish. Drat70 (talk) 13:56, 18 August 2017 (UTC)Reply

or type=geoline or type=geoshape

• Was checking some category map errors and noted the following to let you know that because you are using a Mapframe and a Mapshape on your user/temp page you get a JSON format error... It is ok if on Barcelona article page as is -- error shows because its not on Barcelona article page and can not retrieve the Wikidata ID. I just modified this example so you can use it on your temp page using Q1492. -- I thought this might be helpful and apologize in advance if I stepped out of bounds. All the best. -- Matroc (talk) 01:51, 8 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the tip... that won't be necessary though for what I am doing (I am basically copying articles to my temp page in order to extract all the listings and run them through a quick translation process in which they are all translated to Hebrew. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 02:36, 8 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

Matroc - quick question though... since you mentioned Mapshape... I understand that the template Mapshape is capable of extracting the outline polygon of cities from OpenStreetMap. I also noticed that there are only around roughly 800 Mapshape templates currently in use. Why aren't there more? is it because all the other articles don't have similar data on OpenStreetMap? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 02:38, 8 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

Swept in from the pub

...which airlines have flight between one international hub to a specific airport located in a different county? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 17:51, 16 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

The usual suspects in terms of flight comparison sites (Matrix, Expedia, Travelocity, etc.) and the airlines' own websites. What else would one look at? Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:57, 16 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

Concur on Matrix, i.e. ITA Matrix Air Search [2]. Use frequently. Does not sell flights, allows setting numerous search parameters, results can include great number of domestic & international destinations. Cannot vouch for ability to find every flight/destination combo everywhere. Hennejohn (talk) 22:42, 17 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

Some Wikipedia articles on individual airports list all the flights from them and who operates them. Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:08, 16 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

Virtually all Wikipedia articles of airports do, though for smaller airports the information may be outdated. In addition to what was mentioned above, Flightradar24 provides live departures and arrivals information for airports, but just for 24h before and after the current moment (the payable premium version likely has more coverage) so if a route has only one flight a week you might not see it. ϒpsilon (talk) 06:43, 17 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

Google Flights! https://www.google.com/flights/.

As an aside, I think it is preferable not to list every single flight route and airline for an airport, given that they do change frequently. For larger airports it is best to avoid specifics completely. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:36, 17 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

Those things do tend to get outdated dreadfully quickly. Especially the likes of Ryanair pull out of airports quicker than Presidents do out of unpopular unwinnable wars. Is there some way to only have the work of keeping such a list up to date once across several language versions of WP and WV? Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:39, 18 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

Swept in from the pub

Hi again. At the Hebrew Wikivoyage, where as of now I am still the only active user (and therefore I occasionally post technical questions here), I am interested in changing the default layout for many of the listings so that it resembles much more the default layout which exists on the English Wikivoyage.

For example, the current layout for the "See" Listing at the Hebrew wikivoyage looks something like this:

* {{see
| name= | url= | wikipedia= | facebook=
| email= | lat= | long=
| address=
| phone= | tollfree= | fax=
| directions= | hours= | price=
| alt= | content=
}}

while I want it to look more like this:

* {{see
| name= | alt= | url= | email=
| address= | lat= | long= | directions=
| phone= | tollfree= | fax=
| hours= | price=
| content=
}}

where does one change the code of the default layouts? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 15:42, 27 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

no one knows? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 16:51, 28 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

"The default" is, I suppose, what you get when using the listing editor. Then the defaults should be somewhere in the configuration files of that program. I suppose one could find it by searching MediaWiki:Common.js – yes: under the heading "// Add listing buttons in edit toolbar" I find things like "post: ' | alt= | url= | email=\n| address= ...". "pre" and "post" seem to refer to the cursor position, and the relevant parameters are told for different listing types. Should be easy to edit. Then you should worry about the listing editor changing the order as it might standardize the order when you edit an old listing. --LPfi (talk) 17:49, 28 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

LPfi - It worked! thank you so much for helping figure this out. It has been bugging me for years, and our only tech guy on Hebvoy stopped being active a long time ago. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 14:24, 29 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

Nothing against your enthusiasm and I presume you have local knowledge, but why did you not give a heads up on Talk:Jerusalem or wait for others to weigh in? Yes, district discussions often end in frustration, but I think waiting a week or two for a proper discussion cannot be all that harmful, can it? Best wishes Hobbitschuster (talk) 09:30, 15 December 2017 (UTC)Reply

If there is nothing to "see" or "do" in North-East Jerusalem and South-East Jerusalem, please don't separate them into separate district articles. 93.172.151.196 18:37, 28 December 2017 (UTC)Reply

	The Wikivoyage Barncompass
	Here's a barncompass for proposing and organising the edit-a-thon initiative, which has given a big boost to Wikivoyage. Thank you and well done! Gizza (roam) 23:17, 8 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

Thanks Gizza. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 04:24, 10 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

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Is there any easy way to generate a list of all the articles that have been defined as being located within a certain much larger area in the geography hierarchy? for example, a quick list of ALL articles about destinations in Southern Italy, or a quick list of ALL articles about destinations in the Bay Area, or maybe even a quick list of all articles in a very big country like Russia? Would I have to copy and past names from the categories in order to assemble such lists? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 18:03, 3 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

@ויקיג'אנקי: Trying a category like Category:India would do. :)

_{-Signed, the amazing Zanygenius. Visit my chat page} 18:44, 3 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

But it Category:India doesn't actually contain India. :/ I've been reverted on this here. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:21, 3 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

https://petscan.wmflabs.org is what you're looking for. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:40, 3 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

Or with fields set so Southern Italy --Traveler100 (talk) 20:50, 3 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

Hi! I think adding 30k blob of coordinates is no good - when you can simply reference wikidata (and if needed, fix wikidata/OSM) and make it more maintainable (plus usable also for people outside WV). I only noticed this in Prague, but I see you already did the same stuff with multiple other places... Where did you get the coords? If from OSM/wikidata, there's really no point doing this copy-pasting, IMO... Or is there some specific reason you are doing it this way? thanks... Andree.sk (talk) 11:52, 19 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

I'm currently working on getting all the city boundaries for the Hebrew Wikivoyage. I have already taken everything I can using mapshape+wikidata - Everything else I am mostly creating myself or relaying on OSM (again, only when I cannot push their polygons here using a mapshape template+wikidata entry) - first and foremost for the Hebrew Wikivoyage. If the English Wikioyage community would prefer that I don not copy the city boundaries to the English Wikioyage articles, I will refrain doing so. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 12:01, 19 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

Does Wikidata and/or OSM have the coordinates for districts as we on Wikivoyage have defined them? Because quite often we've deviated to some extent from official district boundaries, and/or combined districts. --ϒpsilon (talk) 12:30, 19 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

No... when creating district mapmasks I mainly rely on the static region maps in our articles + asking for the help of the editors to help me improve my initial work (like with the Oslo district articles).... if they find any small/big mistake/s that need to be fixed, etc. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 12:35, 19 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

I was asking User:Andree.sk :).

If the official district division differ from our district division (made with the voyager in mind who's standing on the street in a foreign city), and the data available in Wikidata is based upon the official district division, then new district borders need to be made for use in our articles, and the information be placed either here on WV or in Wikidata. ϒpsilon (talk) 12:52, 19 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

I'm by no means "English Wikivoyage community", nor do I want to discourage you (יקיג'אנקי) from improving stuff :) But I really only (so far) checked your Prague, Aberdeen, San Salvador and Skopje changes, and it seemed that you matched the OSM stuff 1:1. So at least in those cases it'd be much better, IMO, to fix OSM/Wikidata and use the wikidata mapshapes in WV - than to manually copy the coordinates of the relations into WV. I already fixed Aberdeen (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q36405 + OSM), San Salvador, Skopje. We'll have to wait a few days until those can be used in WV.
If the OSM relations don't match 1:1 with the WV district splits, and you want to have the same split in EN and Hebrew WV, another option is using mapshapes with mediawiki commons (see Madrid and Madrid_Inner_Districts.map)... Andree.sk (talk) 13:02, 19 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

....and the mapmasks I made for Chicago/Loop, Chicago/Near North, Chicago/Lakeview-North Center, Chicago/Lincoln Park-Old Town, Chicago/Uptown, Chicago/Rogers Park, Oslo/Sentrum, Oslo/West, Oslo/Inner North, Oslo/Inner East, Oslo/North, Oslo/South are costume made by me. Either way, since I am currently the only active wikivoyager at the Hebrew wikivoyage... I prefer to continue creating the content in the way which is the fastest+easiest for me (even though fixing the issues at OSM and waiting a few days would probably contribute to other people in other projects)... as I have to create a lot of content by myself. Thanks for the tip though, I'll consider looking into that once I finish creating the "foundation" of the Hebrew wikivoyage. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 16:07, 19 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

Yup, do whatever fits you there, of course. Regarding the above, there doesn't seem to be anything regarding Chicago/Loop in OSM, but e.g. Oslo/Sentrum is almost the same - the only difference I see is that you added the coastline? Looks like OSM boundaries comes from some official source there, so I'm not sure if changing that would be 'welcome'... On the other hand, it's only coastline - for me, it's wasted time redrawing the border just to make that part more precise. But well, it's your time, do as you wish! :-) I'll probably check some time later and switch the 1:1 drawings to WD, if you don't mind. Andree.sk (talk) 19:06, 19 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

Sure, go ahead. Small changes were made to Oslo/Sentrum to fit the the article on Wikivoyage (so please leave that one as is). ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 19:31, 19 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for making this. Unfortunately, it's inaccurate. Clermont is an entirely included city in Indianapolis: it is not politically distinct from the rest of Unigov. On the other hand, Beech Grove (to the south), Speedway (west), and Southport (south) are separate political entities (as is Lawrence). —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:14, 27 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

Hi Justin. Thanks for the feedback! For some reason it is really hard to find a good source for the city boundaries. I based my polygon on two maps I found earlier today (which I can't find now). Please send me a link to a map you approve of and I'll redo the mapmask right away. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 20:00, 27 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

Man, you are telling me--I tried to do a similar thing with coordinates for OpenStreetMap. :/ As for a map, File:Marion_County_Indiana_Incorporated_and_Unincorporated_areas_Indianapolis_Highlighted.svg is handy but I honestly have no clue why Clermont (extreme west), the string of grey in the middle that looks like an archipelago, and the outlying patch of grey in the east are there--those are all Indianapolis. Lawrence in the extreme northeast, Speedway as the big block in the west, Beech Grove in the southeast, and Southport at the extreme south are all not part of Indianapolis/Unigov but are in Marion County. Note that Cumberland actually straddles two counties at the extreme east and it's my understanding that the Indianapolis portion is included in the city proper. That's pretty inconclusive but it's all I know at the moment. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:23, 27 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

Justin, if possible, please include a link to a more detailed Indianapolis map from an official gov website. Thanks in advance :) ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 22:18, 27 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

Thank you. See http://data.indy.gov/datasets/cities-and-towns for instance. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:33, 27 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

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• 31.31555635.3538891 Masada.  
• 32.834.9833332 Haifa.  
• 31.78333335.2166673 Jerusalem.  
• 32.92611135.0838894 Akko.  
• 29.5534.955 Eilat.  
• 32.70210335.297856 Nazareth.  
• 32.96583335.4983337 Safed.  
• 31.25888934.7977788 Beer Sheva.  
• Be'er Sheva. 
• 32.08333334.89 Tel Aviv.  
• 32.78972235.52472210 Tiberias.  

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1. Actually creating listings and not markers
   • All listings after 99 will display the number 99 over and over - could change type for each group of 99 which would change color and number.
   • If article exists name fixed so that it is a link -- Matroc (talk) 06:45, 2 August 2018 (UTC)Reply

I moved this and this to your userspace. Hobbitschuster (talk) 00:06, 12 August 2018 (UTC)Reply

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I know that Wikistats 2 is supposed to replace all the old statistics pages, but is there an equilant page the compares all the page views statistics for ALL Wikivoyage editions? (so far I only figured out how to view the statistics for each individual Wikivoyage edition. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 20:45, 8 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

User:Neil P. Quinn-WMF might know who handles Wikistats, and therefore whom we can ask for this. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:55, 8 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

WhatamIdoing, where is it best to ask him that? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 15:42, 10 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

Probably his talk page at mw:User talk:Neil P. Quinn-WMF. WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:00, 13 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

• Yes, I tried and it doesn't work. Additionally, I'm noticing that Wikistats 2 is getting increasingly out of date, I assume due to the debating on Wikipedia. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 00:01, 28 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

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Does anyone follow this category at Wikipedia? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 11:54, 30 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

No, but thanks for linking to it. I may follow it more in future and participate in getting some pages moved there. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 14:03, 30 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

Thanks. I've added it to my WP watchlist. Pashley (talk) 14:40, 30 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

Odd that the category page does not link to any instructions on how the articles are intended to be treated. I suppose one is expected to know what the category is about when landing there, but that's not how the WWW works. --LPfi (talk) 14:43, 30 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

it probably just mean that one or two editors didn't like the style of writing of those articles and wished it would be moved (for example, the article topic probably deserves an article on Wikipedia, but the current content probably should exit in Wikivoyage). Either way, we should probably work on getting most of those article here any way. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 19:23, 30 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

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Is there any easy way to generate a list of all articles on Enoy in a pagepile? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 12:25, 11 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

This might help: monthly backups of WMF wikis. Here are the most recent backups for enwikivoyage; if you scroll down to "List of page titles in main namespace", that might be what you're looking for. —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:25, 11 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Special:AllPages?from=&to=&namespace=0 includes all the redirects. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:01, 11 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

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To my understanding the more members of the various language editions of Wikivoyage express themself about how much this tool is needed, the more likely it would be that this tool would actually be added in the near future.

So please... support Wikivoyage by letting the Wikimedia developers know how much this tool is needed right now for all the various Wikivoyage communities right here.

So far multiple people I contacted refused to take part in the translation efforts as long as this tool does not exist in the Hebrew Wikivoyage as well. Hopefully the developers would install it soon. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 20:10, 17 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

Please don't. Well, please tell them that we want this. But tell them by pinging them to this page, or by starting a new topic at mw:Talk:Content translation, not by going to Phabricator to "vote". Voting is against the etiquette for Phabricator. What you could add to phab:T105171 is information that you think a developer needs to know about how Wikivoyage's pages are different from Wikipedia's pages. That might mean things like which templates are popular at multiple Wikivoyages (we use so few, and they're the same across most Wikivoyages, which makes everything easier for the devs), or the fact that our articles tend to have only simple formatting and structures, or that we are happy to use Wikidata, or that we've cleaned up nearly all of the Special:LintErrors in the mainspace (at the English Wikivoyage, and hopefully at others, too). Phabricator isn't a good place saying how popular something would be. WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:45, 18 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

WhatamIdoing, thanks for explaining that. How should we move forward with this? Would you be able to add the request/s at mw:Talk:Content translation? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 10:22, 19 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

I could, but you can, too. It's really pretty easy. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:33, 22 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

I believe you are an administrator on another language version of Wikivoyage, right? If so, you might as well be made a patroller here. Would you like the position? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:08, 23 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

I checked, and you definitely have experience for the position. So feel free to ask for it. I can give you the right. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:09, 23 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

User:SelfieCity, I noticed that I am an autopatroller here on Engvoy. would being a patroller give me any additional tools? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 10:26, 24 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

Yes, see Wikivoyage:Recent changes patrol. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:40, 24 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

So do you want the position, or not? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 12:07, 25 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

Sure. I’m in. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 13:19, 25 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

You're a patroller. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 17:13, 25 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

My apology: I removed you from the autopatrollers group when I gave you patroller status, which had unintended consequences. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:49, 25 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

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Currently the English Wikivoyage articles appear on Google as "Greece – Travel guide at Wikivoyage" (for example) while the Hebrew Wikivoyage articles only appear as "יוון – ויקימסע" ("Greece – Wikivoyage"). Does anyone know exactly where does one fix that (at Hebvoy) so that the Hebrew Wikivoyage articles would appear the same way as the ones at the English Wikivoyage? WikiJunkie (talk) 08:37, 25 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

I don't know sorry. But WikiJunkie, is this your second account in addition to ויקיג'אנקי (which transliterates to Wikijunkie in case anyone didn't know)? Gizza ^(roam) 09:17, 25 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

See MediaWiki:Pagetitle -- WOSlinker (talk) 11:41, 25 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

thanks! Yea that’s my Wikipedia account. Had to create a 2nd one for Wikivoyage back in 2013 for some technical reason (it was before the global accounts were fully implemented and if I’m not remembering wrong it wouldn’t let me use that username here or at meta (while working on the site at the incubator) back then. Oויקיג'אנקי (talk) 13:24, 25 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

WOSlinker, is there any similar media wiki page I could use to add html keywords/description to all the articles for SEO purposes? I found this but I was wondering if there is a simpler way to do that. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 13:43, 25 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

There's nothing I can think of. -- WOSlinker (talk) 21:05, 25 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

On the English Wikivoyage, it is standard practice to propose any new banner ideas on an article's talk page, before you implement the change. I know on Hebrew Wikivoyage, you probably have a lot more freedom to edit pages how you like them, because there aren't many other editors. But here, it just isn't the done thing to change a pagebanner without first achieving consensus.

In the last couple of days, I reverted your change of banner at Birdwatching. Today, the only reason I haven't reverted your change at Whale watching is because it is clearly a better, more on-theme, picture.

That said, I would still prefer it if, from now on, you respected this wiki's conventions, and proposed banner changes before you make them.

Please let me know if you think I'm being unreasonable.

Best wishes, ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 19:59, 25 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

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As of now we currently have many articles on Hebvoy that contain listings imported through the years from the English Wikivoyage without being fully checked and fixed, and therefore many of them contain dead links (mostly because the businesses have closed, different websites, etc).

I was wondering, even though it is a different wiki... since I do not have the technical skills to acomplish something like this completely by myself (I assume one needs to use a bot to do so).... would any experts here by any chance be willing to help us out at Hebvoy by getting your bot to run on the entire content of Hebvoy so that all the dead links would be removed? (instead of having them just be tagged with the template template:dead link) ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 12:22, 8 August 2019 (UTC)Reply

My understanding is that we don't remove dead links by bot. Instead human editors review them to try to figure out if (a) the establishment has closed, (b) they've changed their website, (c) they still exist but no longer have a website, or (d) some other problem. —Granger (talk · contribs) 14:23, 8 August 2019 (UTC)Reply

I can confirm what Granger says is correct. Our bot flags dead links, and then we have to use our brains and hands :) Whether it is technically possible for a bottle to do all you're proposing I don't know.

How easy would it be for non-Hebrew-speaking Wikivoyagers to find flagged listings in a sea of Hebrew text? Because you might need people to chip in rather than bots.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:02, 8 August 2019 (UTC)Reply

Ok... so which user is capable of running the bot which flags dead links? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 21:10, 8 August 2019 (UTC)Reply

User:Wrh2, I believe. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:15, 8 August 2019 (UTC)Reply

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The feature was finally approved and implemented at the Hebrew Wikivoyage on August 5th. See how it works by going to this article (for example) and hovering the mouse pointer above any blue interlinks.

I myself think that this feature is perfect for any Wikivoyage edition and therefore I wanted to suggest that it would be added to the English Wikivoyage as well. But what does the Engvoy community think? Do you think this feature should be added or not? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 09:09, 10 August 2019 (UTC)Reply

If I have understood what you are suggesting, it is already available here. In preferences set check the box in: Appearance - Reading Preferences - Enable page previews. It is enabled for readers who aren't logged in. There has been some discussion here on how the preview image is chosen, as it is often a poor choice, like a view of the airport or railway station. AlasdairW (talk) 10:01, 10 August 2019 (UTC)Reply

Oh, i didn't know that. Why isn't it on for everyone by default? I see how for many articles it puts a bad thumbnail. Is there any way to choose which exact image will show instead of listing all the images it should exclude? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 13:57, 10 August 2019 (UTC)Reply

We had a discussion about this at the beginning of this year. I wasn't there to see the end of it, but this, combined with other issues people were having with the previews led to it being changed to an opt-in feature rather than an opt-out. This might have been to do with this issue. I don't believe the original complaint has been solved yet, so I personally do not see a reason to make the previews an opt-out feature yet.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 18:31, 10 August 2019 (UTC)Reply

I think we should follow his advice. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 18:43, 10 August 2019 (UTC)Reply

Hovercards/Page Previews is currently available here to logged-out editors.

If you have NAVPOPS enabled (available to logged-in editors only), then it's automagically suppressed for your account. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:04, 11 August 2019 (UTC)Reply

We Chinese Wikivoyage need this feature, ויקיג'אנקי, Can you provide how to make this feature on Wikivoyage?--✈ IGOR ／ ✉ TALK?! ^{．WIKIVOYAGER !} 15:25, 14 August 2019 (UTC)Reply

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Unfortunately the only user at the Hebrew Wikivoyage with the advanced technical skills and vast knowledge about importing+installing gadets has stopped being active recently due to currently being very busy in his life.

We currently need to have a couple of gadgets imported from other wikis and installed at Hebvoy and I am far from being capable of doing so myself.

I tried to contact prominent Wikpedians at the Hebrew Wikipedia whom are considered the experts in this matter but unfortantely no one was willing to help me with this from the handful of people whom have these capabilities there.

Is there maybe anyone here at the English Wikivoyage with advanced technical skills and experiance with importing+installing gadgets... whom is willing to help us at Hebvoy import and install a couple of gadgets? (If there is anyone willing to help I'll make sure to request that you'll get the Interface administrators permissions there so that you would actually be capeble of doing this at Hebvoy). ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 22:58, 11 August 2019 (UTC)Reply

ויקיג'אנקי, which gadgets has your community decided are necessary? WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:49, 12 August 2019 (UTC)Reply

• @ויקיג'אנקי: I have provided you with a Code about ShareArticle. Basically, Wikipedia is rarely willing to help us with Wikivoyage. The Wikivoyage community in any language really needs to help and assist each other on their own team.--✈ IGOR ／ ✉ TALK?! ^{．WIKIVOYAGER !} 15:42, 14 August 2019 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for sharing these new banners with WV-en! Ground Zero (talk) 13:40, 13 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

The work is already done, so why not share? :) ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 13:42, 13 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thank you for creating so many pagebanners! I just noticed this edit. That's quite a nice banner. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:25, 20 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

oh yeah, I created the alternative banner for that article after I noticed the former banner for that article was deleted at Wikicommons. Is there any way to know which articles used to have banners that do not exist anymore, because they were deleted from Wikicommons? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 22:24, 20 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

I think the best way is to pay attention when a bot posts a thread on a given article's Wikivoyage talk page about files nominated for deletion at Commons, but I seem to have missed this one. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:30, 20 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, but I would have to have all articles on the English Wikivoyage on my watchlist to spot those... wouldn't it be easier if all articles with banners deleted would be categorized as such for us few banner creators? (if I'm not mistaking, there are already articles catgorized automatically in a similar way for other maintainance issues). ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 23:43, 20 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

It sucks that the bot doesn't crosspost to all Wikivoyages. Maybe that could be remedied. I also agree with your proposal. I'm not sure how to do that, though. Granger, do you have any idea how to effectuate these suggestions? Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:48, 20 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

It should be possible to enable the bot on the Hebrew Wikivoyage – information is here. You might need to translate the bot's messages to Hebrew before they enable it.

I don't think there's a straightforward way to see articles that used to have banners that don't exist anymore. A partial solution is to look at Special:Contributions/CommonsDelinker (or he:Special:Contributions/CommonsDelinker), but that will also include articles that have had other images deleted, and it won't include articles whose banner was only added on Wikidata and not locally. I'll let you know if I think of other ideas. —Granger (talk · contribs) 06:39, 21 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Ok, yeah, I was asking about implementing it here on Engvoy (it's much easier for me to locate those on Hebvoy, where there aren't that many articles, and I usually detect the ones with deleted banner sooner or later). ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 20:56, 21 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

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So I are slowly and gradually implementing a new feature in Hebvoy in which the "Other destinations" section in 83 most toured countries articles would be expanded from 5 to 9 most prominent sites to around 60 until 100 most prominent sites that might also include some of the most prominent tourist sites located within cities.

I first noticed the need of such expanded lists as because the articles of the most prominent traveled large countries, which only present very few sites, made it very confusing for our readers to figure out from a quick glance where are the areas of those countries which are most worth focusing on (for them) when they would be driving around in those countries looking to see the "highlights" in a relatively short amount of time available to them.

The process by which I use to create these big lists is as such - first I extract a big list of all the tourist destination articles in a certain country at the English Wikipedia (from categories like Category:Tourist attractions in Spain), afterwards I sort all those articles by pageviews during a rough approximation of the tourist season (March until the end of September, in a pre-covid year), then I go over the one hundred top results and make sure to pick the most sought after articles/sites that actually make sense, and the final stage of the process is a peer review process in which more Wikivoyagers help improve the list as much as possible (which I am hoping to achieve with the help of you guys in this thread, as there aren't many people active on Hebvoy these days).

This is the list.

If possible please help me improve this list by mentioning below which sites you recommend adding and which sites you recommend removing. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance! ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 02:18, 2 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I hope it's ok that I bring this up here :) ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 02:19, 2 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Sure it's OK, but (a) it's a thankless task - even trying to agree on a top-10 list of "must sees" in New York City means plunging into controversy, and (b) these are only certain kinds of sites, as I don't see a single museum mentioned, and I have no doubt that the Metropolitan Museum, the National Gallery and the various Smithsonian museums in D.C. get huge numbers of visitors every year (and probably also MoMA and several others). I see Faneuil Hall. What about the Boston Museum of Art, or simply the Freedom Trail? I feel like you'd do better having separate lists of parks, amusement parks, zoos, national monuments, mountains and mountain ranges (I see the Appalachians, which literally extend from Georgia into Canada, so that's hardly a place), city squares - and then how about museums, great buildings....How much you want to do is up to you, but I doubt how useful this kind of somewhat random, undifferentiated list is. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:33, 2 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the tip. This list is currently not finalized. I’m hoping more people would help improve it. Eventually it’s all down to the consensus regarding what should be in and what shouldn’t. Which specific sites would you remove from it? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 10:56, 2 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I feel like you've missed my point. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:22, 2 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

You are saying that unless only 5-10 destinations are picked as the prominent “other destinations”, it’s pointless to make a bigger list. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 14:14, 2 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

You really didn't understand; do you see that my point about the difficulty in agreeing on a top-10 list of "must sees" in New York City was mentioned in order to make clear how well-nigh impossible it is to create an agreed-upon list of top attractions in the entire country? Instead, I'm suggesting you make separate lists for separate categories of attractions. Furthermore, a lot of what you're listing should simply be covered in a United States National Parks article and one on United States National Monuments. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:20, 2 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

[edit conflict] No, that is not what he is saying. You might want to read it again, with thought, but I get the impression you won't get it anyway. Your list will be more or less random (or rather: arbitrarily biased), and more people participating will not solve that problem, and IK feels awkward about that. You don't see the problem and won't see it, so you will get a list that is good enough for you, only a few more people recommend adding or removing a few entries. But you might at least heed the advice of categorising the attractions to see whether you are content with the distribution among them, and have the chance to treat some categories in a different way. –LPfi (talk) 19:35, 2 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Just looking at the map, it's obvious the list is heavily biased toward national parks and monuments. I, too, noticed the complete absence of any museums -- the conspicuous lack of any markers within 50 miles of Washington, D.C., is arguably sufficient grounds to justify scrapping the entire list and trying again using a different methodology. Asking what specific sites we'd remove and which ones we'd add to a list of 100 sites within a country as large and as diverse as the United States is definitely not the right question: I doubt any of us has been to more than half of these sites. Powers ^(talk) 21:27, 2 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the suggestion to do a different list where an equal amount of items would be given to various sub categories of items (museums, national parks, etc.) - I would definitely consider doing that. In general though, I think I have been misunderstood with what I am trying to accomplish here. I am trying to create a useful list for the traveler by combining the use of technology to create a rough initial list, and then relying on a peer review process to further improve the list. From my experience so far, the end product is usually far superior than what any individual would have managed to create by themselves. The first list we created in this way was the list made for the Israel article at Hebvoy (which is probably the ultimate list any Israeli would love using as a "bucket list" of sites they want to see in their own country before they "kick the bucket"). As an Israeli, whom know many of the sites on the list but never seen such a comprehensive list, I was very impressed with the final list we made in that instance. I will also add that, based on my vast experience from creating content for the Hebrew Wikipedia, in many instances I noticed that other Wikipedians heavily object to creating content which isn't based on pure empiric data, so for people like that, a list of the most prominent people/sites/films/etc., that is purely based on the consensus between a large group of people is problematic and non-encyclopedic (nevertheless, content like that is needed even there in the instances of decade articles for example like 1990s and 2010s (just an example). I believe the same issue is happening here - most of you probably prefer that there would be a better more empiric method or a method that makes more sense to pick the items on the list rather than the process I suggested which heavily relying on the perception of people, because content that is mostly based on the perception of a group of people can't end up being good enough. I believe that unlike Wikipedia, in Wikivoyage eventually it should be more encouraged to present information that a group of editors have come to an agreement upon that it includes the most notable sites within a certain city/region/country for Wikivoyage to eventually be super useful for the readers. But either way, I must say I appreciate all your feedback regardless, and would have to consult about your points with the few other active Hebvoy users to see how this idea could be further improved. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 21:36, 3 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I'm really concerned about your English-language reading comprehension ability, sorry. When you start with a straw man like "a different list where an equal amount of items would be given to various sub categories of items" that no-one is suggesting, I'm very disinclined to read further. Are you really having as much trouble reading the plain text of the responses in this thread as you seem to be, or are you just making a very unfortunate habit of adding totally unwarranted assumptions to the plain meanings of the words we are typing for you? Because if that's the way you're going to keep reading responses to you, everyone is utterly wasting their time and I'm outtahere. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:35, 4 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

You wrote "I feel like you'd do better having separate lists of parks, amusement parks, zoos, national monuments, mountains and mountain ranges (I see the Appalachians, which literally extend from Georgia into Canada, so that's hardly a place), city squares - and then how about museums, great buildings....How much you want to do is up to you, but I doubt how useful this kind of somewhat random, undifferentiated list is.". ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 14:52, 4 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

What's your point in quoting my words back to me? I know what I wrote! Where do you see "equal amount (sic)" or "equal number"? Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:51, 4 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Ikan, you're being a little too aggressive. Dial it back. "Equal" may not have been the right word for ויקיג'אנקי to use, but it's a relatively minor point; "equal" or "comparable" or "similar" could all go in the sentence and the purpose of the sentence would remain the same.

@ויקיג'אנקי:, I don't think it's that we'd prefer a more objective list; much the opposite in fact. At Wikivoyage we often have to rely on subjective ideas, backed by consensus, to curate our travel guides. The problem with the U.S. list as it stands right now is that it's not even a good starting point. It's too far from a comprehensive list to be useful; we'd be better off just trying to compose a list from scratch. Powers ^(talk) 14:10, 6 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Sorry you think I'm being "too aggressive", but in no way had anyone suggested that every category of attraction needs to have anywhere near an equal number of entries, and that's not a "relatively minor point" because it's part of the larger point that ויקיג'אנקי has misunderstood or mischaracterized all the responses in this thread, making it seemingly pointless to continue responding. But have the last word in the thread if you like, and I hope you enjoy your day. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:30, 6 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

We need to bear in mind that the 100 best destinations for an English speaker is likely to be different from those for a Hebrew speaker. Museums are often of little interest to me in countries where I am not good at reading in the language. Similarly residents of a country may be more interested in some destinations than other English speakers (e.g. US travellers may be more interested in museums of European art than visitors from Europe). It may be better asking this question on Hebvoy, or in other language WVs. AlasdairW (talk) 22:23, 6 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

When I looked at the map at Gyeonggi I was astonished to find a map that was actually useful :) It has a plus and a minus to zoom in and out. I wonder if this zoom can also be installed at British Columbia to help make sense of the disruption caused by the atmospheric river floods. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 14:22, 3 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

Added. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 16:54, 3 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

Swept in from the pub

At the Hebrew Wikivoyage the Wikimedia Foundation has changed the site's skin from "Vector Legacy 2010" to "Vector 2022" which is now the default skin for anyone whom hasn't defined the classic skin as the default. Unfortunately this change hasn't been smooth so far as initially the new skin accidentally displayed two logos on the top of all the site's pages (see example at the top of this page). We tried getting the developers to fix the issue by opening a request at the Phabricator to fix it. Also, for this to be fixed and us to have a logo with only one logo I even created a new minimal logo which could be used in the new skin.

Following our request the developers did change the logo so it would not show a 2 Wikivoyage symbols at the top of each page on the site with the "Vector 2022" skin. Unfortunately, for some reason their change made the text of the logo too small (see example).

In my opinion it is very important, for the sake of aesthetics, to make the text of the logo larger so that it would look more like the example on the right side of this image.

The developers mentioned in the discussion in Phabricator that we must provide SVG files in following dimensions: Wikivoyage-tagline-he.svg with 120px width & 12px height , and Wikivoyage-wordmark-he-2.svg with 120px width & 18px height as per [3].

Any SVG expert whom can help us fix the files Wikivoyage-wordmark-he-2.svg and Wikivoyage-tagline-he.svg according to the sizes the developers specified in the Phabricator? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 20:23, 4 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Unfortunately, only admins on c: can do that at the moment. Even a non-SVG whiz should be able to fix it in any text editor. In lines 7 and 8 of the tagline, change width="120" to width="120px" and height="12" to height="12px". A similar edit to the wordmark will probably do the trick? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:20, 4 December 2023 (UTC)Reply