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Formatting and language conventions
Please show prices in this format: MOP$100 and not MOP 100 or 100 patacas. Please use British spelling (colour, travelled, centre, realise, analogue, programme, defence).
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Picture
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Today's picture of the day on Commons is from Macau. I'd like to see it used in one of our articles, but I'm not sure where it might go so I'm putting it here instead. Pashley (talk) 11:58, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
- I haven't seen that before. I'm sure to check it out next time in Macau! Andrewssi2 (talk) 12:00, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
- Today's picture-of-the-day is also from Macau. It looks as though there are many new Macau photos on Commons, some excellent. Pashley (talk) 12:24, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
Alternative banner for this article?
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In the Hebrew Wikivoyage we are currently using this banner instead of the one which is currently used here. Do you think too that this banner would would better than the existing one? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 02:32, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
- Next to the current banner, the new proposal looks like just another dry and boring skyline shot. Texugo (talk) 02:38, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
- Yeah, I think the current banner is much more striking and interesting to look at. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:05, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
- I try and avoid cityscapes when possible. The proposal looks like any generic developed city in Asia or even maybe South America. The current banner gives a sense of excitement of actually visiting this place. Andrewssi2 (talk) 06:24, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
- Yeah, I think the current banner is much more striking and interesting to look at. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:05, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
- Much prefer the existing banner. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 20:02, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
- Current banner Matroc (talk) 03:21, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Statistics of revenue
[edit]I deleted this text because I really could see no value in it. Perhaps this kind of thing is good for Wikipedia but not WV. Also the WV list linked to is completely irrelevant to these rankings, since that is about population size, not tourist revenue. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 10:40, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
"A UN World Tourism Organisation list of the top ten destinations in the world by tourism industry revenue treats Macau, Hong Kong and China as separate destinations. Macau ranks ninth on the list while Hong Kong is tenth and China itself is not among the top ten. For the full list, see Wikivoyage:World cities/Large."
- I added it originally, so obviously I do see some value, but I'm not passionately attached to the idea of keeping it. The WV list linked to gives population, top ten tourist destinations by number of visitors (Macau not in that list) and by revenue (Macau 9th).
- Anyone else want to comment? Pashley (talk) 14:19, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
Currency symbol?
[edit]I'd like to promote this to guide — possible now that all districts are at least usable — and nominate it for DotM, so I've been doing some copy edits. I'd encourage others to have a look as well.
An issue I notice, but am not sure how to fix, is that currency symbols are not consistent. We have things like $12 and 120MOP, maybe others. Can we agree on one & apply it consistently? I feel rather strongly that $ is wrong (does it mean pataca, HK $, or even US $?), but I might be wrong. Pashley (talk) 00:24, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
- MOP ( w:Macanese_pataca ) should be the standard currency. Slightly complicated because Hong Kong dollars are near universally accepted in Macau.
- MOP 1 is very nearly equivalent with HKD $1, so there isn't any reason to list HKD prices.
- $ should never refer to United States dollars. If it does then we need 'USD' beforehand to make it clear. Andrewssi2 (talk) 01:08, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
- Why not? Macau should be featured on the Main Page between Oct and Feb, the driest period of the year. As of now we have candidates until October, so now it's probably the time to fix stuff, upgrade the status to guide and nominate the article.
- Concerning the currency notations, it's best to write "MOP", "HKD" or "USD" to make sure readers don't get wrong information. The article could also use a couple more lively photos, but otherwise I see no major problems with it. The districts look decent, but could definitely benefit from coordinates and a couple more listings (especially Eat listings). ϒpsilon (talk) 17:44, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
- Pashley and Andrew, what do you think? I'm not familiar with Macao but I think you are? ϒpsilon (talk) 12:34, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
- Well, I've been there a few times :) What is the actual question right now? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 22:42, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
- Same here, though not in about 5 years.
- This article and the districts need a consistent currency symbol. Should we be writing $100, MOP100, MOP 100, 100 MOP? I do not think there are other credible candidates?. Pashley (talk) 04:19, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
- The Pataca is the official currency, even though US, HKD and Chinese RMB are used widely as well (Many businesses accept HKD notes on a 1:1 basis for payment). For consistency the format "MOP 1,477" should be used. Andrewssi2 (talk) 04:25, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
- As we're about to promote the article to Guide, the questions are whether there's anything important missing and how currencies should be denoted. MOP100 is what our policy says, I think. ϒpsilon (talk) 04:44, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
- I've promoted to Guide status and will nominate it sometime later. The best time to feature it is some Northern Hemisphere winter month, I guess. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:51, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
- There still seems to be an inconsistency in currency symbols. Macau#Currency includes the text "Prices are shown as $10, for example (10 patacas)." and the $ sign is indeed used in places, but MOP is used elsewhere.
- This should be fixed before the article is featured, and it is scheduled for November. Pashley (talk) 00:07, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
The Wikipedia article w:Macanese pataca says that "The abbreviation MOP$ is commonly used." So let's use that. Ground Zero (talk) 10:36, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
Star ratings?
[edit]Star ratings are easily abused by marketers, and this article uses them a lot which raises a red flag for skeptical me. The main page has:
- Hotel listings are in the individual district pages. Budget accommodation is one that carries a 2-star rating or below, a mid-range place has a 3-star rating, and a splurge place has a 4-star rating or above.
Several of the district articles have "n-star" labels as subheadings and Coloane describes one place as "Family 4-star hotel that actually feels more like a 3-star hotel." The Cotai article describes both the Hyatt and Four Seasons as 5-star; I think of both as 4-star chains.
Macau/Peninsula lists 8 places as 5-star; compare to this quote from Rating systems:
- The Mobil Travel Guide (now the Forbes Guide) awarded five stars in 2006 to 32 hotels in all of North America (US, Canada & Mexico); more recent editions award "five stars" to just a handful of US hotels (10 in CA, 7 in NY, 2 each in HI and IL, 1 each in TX and DC, many states zero).
Yes, Macau has a lot of high-end hotels, but does one district really have more 5-star places than New York State?
At the very least, we need a precise statement of what definition we are using for these ratings. Is there an official definition, perhaps the local tourism department? Absent that, all references to them should be removed. Pashley (talk) 13:21, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
Either clearly define what precisely is meant by star ratings or get rid of them. If there is a clear progression by price, we should use that instead imho. Hobbitschuster (talk) 14:50, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
- It has been some months since the above discussion & nobody has pointed to a definition. The article is due to be DotM in November, so I'm removing references to stars now. Pashley (talk) 05:00, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
Hong Kong workers?
[edit]We have:
- Non-residents who wish to take up employment in Macau, including those from Portugal or mainland China, ...
What about people from Hong Kong? Or Taiwan? They both get special treatment on the mainland. Pashley (talk) 16:07, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
SEO
[edit]I just had a look at where this page ranks compared to its inferior copy, and I am saddened to say that it's Search Engine Ranking could be better. Searching for just the word "Macau" using startpage.com that other site is the first hit below Lonely Planet and Wikipedia, whereas our guide (soon to be featured) does not even show up on all the pages casual observers are likely to look at. This might be due to the fact that copyscape says our article has "11,729 words, 37% matched" and overall "4,341 matching words were found", which to me is both substantial and too much. It may not preclude featuring, but surely those things are - in addition to dead weblinks and the like - the first thing to be targeted when polishing the page. Or am I mistaken there? Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:34, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
HKD
[edit]The quickbar says that the Hong Kong dollar is also used in Macau. Is this true? I've never been to Macau, so don't know (I presume 廣九直通車 or The dog2 would know on whether HKD is accepted). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:15, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- While I used MOP for my previous trips to Macau, it seems that HKD circulate widely among Macau: a casino stated that Hong Kong Dollar is widely used by Macau vendors, casinos accept HKD to buy casino chips, and other sources from Google search also indicate that Hong Kong dollar is widely accepted, but exchange may be given in MOP.廣九直通車 (talk) 12:28, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- HKD was widely accepted in Macau when I went there. Even the greyhound racing track accepted bets and did payouts in both HKD and MOP. The dog2 (talk) 14:54, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Interesting. Never thought that'd be the case. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:24, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- HKD was widely accepted in Macau when I went there. Even the greyhound racing track accepted bets and did payouts in both HKD and MOP. The dog2 (talk) 14:54, 17 October 2021 (UTC)