User talk:EvanProdromou Voyage Tips and guide

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to here it's so important and no one seems to care. (WT-en) אוראל 03:41, 10 October 2007 (EDT)

Are you willing to share the code for the TOC with expandable submenus (as on this page )?

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Patiently awaiting your response...

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Hiya Evan. I miss your constant input to the site. Would you please comment on the above topic on VFD. Seems to be a conflict in policy. Once again, to you and the wife. GREAT IDEA on Wikivoyage. Hopefully, it will be around, long after you and I are gone. Best wishes!!! (WT-en) 2old 14:39, 15 October 2007 (EDT)

I don't know about you folks (I'm sending the same message to several), but I for one am getting sick and tired of the intentional vandalism that's going on here. I am trying to start a discussion on Project:Community policies as to whether something more forceful needs to be in place to deal with it. Historically, we have bent far over backwards to avoid punitive action against vandals and have simply gone in and cleaned up the messes they create. However, the frequency of vandalism is growing, and I am not convinced that we are doing Wikivoyage a service by tolerating it. This said, I'm not at all sure what the "right" response is.

I'd appreciate your participation in the discussion on that talk page. Let's see if we can come up with something appropriate. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 11:40, 19 October 2007 (EDT)

Hi Evan, I hope your anniversary went well!

Would you please take a look at wts:WtTech:Typo_in_recent_changes_message. It is a very simple bug to fix, but it requires sysop-level access across multiple language versions—for some of which you are the sole admin. Fixing it only requires following the mediawiki links on the bug report page and replacing the existing text with:

Below {{PLURAL:$1|is '''1''' change|are the last '''$1''' changes}} in the {{PLURAL:$2|day|last '''$2''' days}}, as of $3.

Thanks! --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 03:00, 25 October 2007 (EDT)

Hi Evan! Would you please take a look at this page. I've been waiting your answer for some months. Can I run my bot? Thanks: (WT-en) Dorgan 06:24, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

Hi there Evan, I have recently added to the discussion on the United Kingdom entry, regarding the 9 cities list ( under "the old city problem" headed "new for 2007" ). I have asked for a consensus on a new proposal to make the 9 cities list more accurately represent the previous consensus which was to base the 9 cities on visitor numbers. So far the majority have been For this change. There appears to be lots of people in support of the proposal. I have messaged some of the other users who were vocal in participation before, however for many of them they have not been active since 2006, which means chances are they will not reply. Also, it is worth noteing that for the current list of 9 cities, there was ever any concensus, and ironically, my recent proposal surpasses what was previously proposed in terms of number of people supporting it. Id therefore like to ask you to contribute to the discussion with a view to alter/amend the list using ur experience. --(WT-en) Daniel robinson 15:12, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

Hi Evan. I have an issue getting the OpenID extension to work on my local wiki. I want to add proper i18n for it (not that difficult), and I need to know if things still work as expected after my code changes :)

Setup (following ./README in the extension directory):

• OS: Windows Xp with Wampserver
• Application server:
• PHP: 5.2.3 (openssl extension added)
• MySQL: 5.0.41-community
• MediaWiki: 1.12alpha (r27750) (SVN head)
• OpenID: SVN (no other extensions installed)
  • ran sql script
  • LocalSettings.php: require_once("$IP/extensions/OpenID/OpenID.php"); (at the bottom)
  • php-openid-2.0.0-rc5 (installed in D:\mediawiki\phase3\extensions\OpenID\)
  • php.ini: include_path = ".;c:\php\includes;D:\mediawiki\phase3\extensions\OpenID" (had to add the second path to make Special:OpenIDLogin display.

Now I get this error after I fill in an OpenID URL in Special:OpenIDLogin and submit it:

Fatal error: Define Auth_OpenID_RAND_SOURCE as null to continue with an insecure random number generator.
in D:\mediawiki\phase3\extensions\OpenID\Auth\OpenID\CryptUtil.php on line 52

I am not an experienced programmer; more like a monkey that learned a small PHP trick ;). I hope you can help with it. Please drop me a line on my Betawiki talk page. Cheers! (WT-en) siebrand 17:50, 22 November 2007 (EST)

You wrote, "The "List of Unions" needs to be broken down into regions/cities like other Wikivoyage guides." I am interested to comply. Could you please guide me to a couple of appropriate examples (I have checked a few, but those models would be impossible to be replicated on this article)? You can reply to the artcile talk page, so that other editors get to use the examples as well. Cheers. (WT-en) Aditya Kabir 11:51, 2 December 2007 (EST)

hi, thankyou for everything you've done on wikivoyage, it really is brilliant, have used it on my (financially) limited travels many times and edited it to improve the service. Anyway, I've been doing a lot of work on the East Sussex page, and was wondering if you could put me in contact with anyone who wouldn't mind making a map for the area? I've had a go myself but other than looking like a strange post modernist painting I've not come up with much... although the help file on how to make a map was useful... just my skills that aren't. thanks in advance --(WT-en) Prof Jack 20:32, 8 December 2007 (EST)

Evan - has WT settled on a standard way to collect and display geographic co-ordinates? There has been some discussion at OpenStreetMap.org about enabling OSM users to link their map data with WikiTravel pages. WP seem to be using Template:Coord and at Yellowikis we haven't got much further than using a simple <geo> tag - any thoughts? --(WT-en) Payo 08:46, 12 December 2007 (EST)

Hi Payo, I'm not sure if Evan is checking this page anymore. You might want to have a look at Project:How to draw a map#OpenStreetMap and perhaps raise your questions there; there is considerable interest here in cooperation between Wikivoyage and OpenStreetMap. Sorry I can't personally be of more help in answering your question. --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 02:30, 15 December 2007 (EST)

Hi, i would like to ask for your permission to make the phrase books into mobile readable edition. I have emailed you the detailed information. Thanks.

Could you add $wgAllowUserCss = true; to the main LocalSettings.php file? This setting allows users to create their own CSS files and customise the experience a little. Personally I prefer the body text to be 125% so that's how I use it. Cheers - (WT-en) chmac 01:35, 30 December 2007 (EST)

Evan i have a complaint they keep vfding my articles outlines or deleting them like cjensen and 203 ip user along with oldpine and many others read this Make outlines. Don't be daunted by the task of writing all of the article about Russia -- just get it started with an outline. People are much more likely to change or add to articles than to start them from scratch. We have a bunch of handy templates for destination guides, which you can use. If you only know a teensy bit about a subject, go ahead and add it in. We currently have a huge backlog of stub articles that shouldn't really be there. It is easy to create an outline for most articles and move them to the next level. You can help there. it tells ya right there from now on i will make outlines and people can add on if they want k peace --72.87.57.201 13:16, 27 January 2008 (EST)

Hey Even,

I really like wikivoyage. I am working on a similar site, on a different subject. I was just curious if you'd be willing to give me some pointers like how to add blogs and the voting thing and such. Thanks in advance! Michael

Evan look ip number for lone.guner can u tell me how long i'am banned for? anyway how are ya i'am fairly new and i love wikivoyage and wikimedia so i make outlines in my spare time look at ip numbers 203 58 and so on they don't like me here creating stubs or isin w/p/ or outlines i need your help to convince them that i'am not a troll i'am a human being like everyone on this earth thanks --(WT-en) Lone.guner 17:54, 29 January 2008 (EST)

Hi Evan. We'll do a meetup of Wikipedians in Buenos Aires next February 9th. If you want to come, give me a msg at my talk page in Wikipedia or contact me in IRC. Regards, (WT-en) Loco085 10:20, 2 February 2008 (EST)

I notice you are the only sysop listed for this language version. The place is currently a spam heaven, can it be killed off if it is not actually going to be used? --(WT-en) Nick 15:31, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Hi Evan,

I emailed you a series of patches for your Form extension recently. I just wanted to make sure you saw these. I can go ahead and commit them to SVN if you'd like. Please let me know one way or the other. You can reach me at [email protected] or on my talk page on Wikipedia, [1].

Yr. Obt. Svt., (WT-en) DavidMcCabe 17:54, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Evan. Thanks for contributing to a great project. wikivoyage is gaining steam. Your choice to remove ALL external links seems to have resolved the issue of "intentional vandalism". Citing sources of information is more journalistic in nature and will continue to enhance wikivoyage as a credible travel source.

Please pass this to anyone who may be more appropriate.

In using & contributing to pages for several locations, have often wished there was major section specifically for (links to) photos and maps. Would help everyone focus there when trying to visualize a location, with opportunity to insert or use many more sources.

Section need not be at expense of photos/maps scattered throughout current articles.

Regards, john henne [email protected]

Evan, the Helsinki article seems to have problems. I received the following error message Warning: gzinflate() [function.gzinflate]: buffer error in /var/www/wikivoyage/mw-1.11.2/includes/Revision.php on line 595

Regards, (WT-en) Jc8136 09:04, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

Hey Evan! On Project:19_January_2006, you wrote:

I've separated the "other sites" interwiki links from interlanguage links.

May I ask, how you did that? This feature is pretty cool, but I can't find it anywhere in mediawiki. Have you written it yourself? --MrTweek (85.180.66.100 15:49, 25 August 2008 (EDT))

Hello. I've been researching a way to make collapsible table of content sub-list with mediawiki. Can you possibly give me some help figuring this out, such as the code you used or a quick tutorial?

I noticed somebody else was looking for the same information in an early post on your talk page. It might be beneficial to the mediawiki community to make a tutorial available for this modification or an extension.

Thanks. (WT-en) Philbar 00:16, 15 November 2008 (EST)

I would like to address some ongoing issues with a particular bureaucrat and one of his admins. The general idea is he follows me around and basically harasses me whenever I make an edit to one of his pages. He seems to need the last word on all the edits. I'm finding this a little perplexing since I thought it was understood that edits can be made and that factual information matter. Frankly, I think it's getting a little personal and the boundaries of fairness and good sense are being breached. I've written the details in a letter I have sent to your Wiki email since I thought it would be too much for this talk page. I am a travel writer and enjoyed working on this site very much initially. However it's become a demoralizing and draining experience lately. It's unfortunate and would hope to return to my original opinion on the task. Thanx(WT-en) Paula 20:02, 22 January 2009 (EST)

how you open romanian language version later archived?

(WT-en) Hasan travel 11:51, 4 August 2009 (EDT)

Hi Evan and Michele,

Wikivoyage is fantastic - not only for the travel information it offers, but for the community that has been built up around it. We are also building a community for travelers (www.tripping.com) and so perhaps there are some ways that we could work together.

I'll get in touch directly, but just wanted to send a quick note via your talk page. I'm looking forward to speaking with you and thanks again for all of the time, energy and dedication you have put into Wikivoyage!

Jen O'Neal and the Tripping Team

Ok...I can't read and follow instructions, I logged in with my OpenID and created a new account, this is not what I wanted to do. I currently have an account that I want to link to my OpenID. Can you please help me merge both accounts?

This one Crazy.ratz with Redbear

Thanks (WT-en) crazy.ratz 12:57, 17 September 2009 (EDT)

...you may now return to your regularly scheduled programming...

Dear Evan,

I am Rokas from Lithuania. I have got experience in Wiki projects. Can you give me admin rights for Lithuanian Wikivoyage? (WT-en) Keliauninkas 11:53, 29 November 2009 (EST)

And can you block my clone Rokaszil? (WT-en) Keliauninkas 12:01, 29 November 2009 (EST)

I am Žiedas from Lithuania. I have got experience in Wiki projects. Can you give me admin rights for Lithuanian Wikivoyage? Thank you. --(WT-en) Žiedas 13:02, 29 November 2009 (EST)

Please see wts:Language Expeditions --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 11:15, 30 November 2009 (EST)

Hello, can you open Lithuanian Wikivoyage? (WT-en) Keliauninkas 10:55, 1 December 2009 (EST)

Please see wts:Language Expeditions --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) ^talk 11:23, 1 December 2009 (EST)

Hello Evan,

We have had no previous contact and I know this is not the way things are normally done, but I would like the request I made off the record. Apologies for my unorthodox behavior. I am hoping you will exectute my request. If not, will you please explain why to me at the email address specified? Thanks in advance, --(WT-en) Faust 07:08, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

We are doing our 2012 wikipedia dump conversion, this year I would also like to have wikivoyage available, I would like access to a SQL database dump so we could make a nice cleanly formatted and up to date searchable database for Evopedia a free open source wikimedia reader and browser app for Linux computers, tablets, and smart phones. http://evopedia.info/ http://dumpathome.evopedia.info/dumps/finished/en I have found a 2010 unofficial dump we can try to use but it is obviously two years out of date and lacks formatting for proper display of pictures which Evopedia supports when Internet is available.(WT-en) Biketool 06:24, 24 January 2012 (EST)

Welcome to the new site! I didn't transfer your talk archives, because my find&replace extension isn't working (and there are a lot of them!), so I'll leave that to you.

Please take a look at Meta:Wikivoyage/Launch press release, since you're good at writing that type of thing. There is also some interest on the talk page in a statement or two from you and Maj regarding the launch, as they are looking for a few quotes from various founders, WMF reps, etc. --Peter ^Talk 17:38, 17 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

Ack, all your subpages for some reason got deleted, rather than moved. As you have admin privileges, you can restore and move them. So could I, but I'm busy ;) --Peter ^Talk 17:58, 17 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

Sub-pages were moved - the migration process moves "User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Sep 2004" to User talk:EvanProdromou/Sep 2004 but does not leave a redirect, so any links to a "(WT-en) Evan" page will need to be updated. -- Ryan • (talk) • 18:31, 17 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

Thanks! I've been slow to jump in but I'll see if we can help out. --EvanProdromou (talk) 18:44, 17 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

I thought when I was moving it I had come up with a 'Derwent Valley already exists' - which is why I created the derwent valley tasmania Thanks for that, the Tasmanian material is hardly awe inspiring - and as I had created regions of tasmania on wp en - I was hopng tio improve the quality of what see as geographically challenged info... but in the politest manner of course :) - cheers sats (talk) 03:53, 21 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

Now I get it - an IP hard created Derwent Valley and Central Highlands over and above the existing Derwent Valley... dumb me - thanks for the help sats (talk) 03:56, 21 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

thanks for the link as well - looks good sats (talk) 03:57, 21 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

Here's to the future of Wikivoyage. Hex (talk) 16:17, 21 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hear, hear. --EvanProdromou (talk) 17:34, 21 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

One question about the rule you inserted long time ago (see here).

I was curios about the reason behind choice. Why to use this syntax instead of the classic wiki one (e.g. district (city)) or a more verbose one (e.g. "district of city" or similar...) that is longer but it could be used directly in the wikilink instead of applying a label all the time? Let me know, --Andyrom75 (talk) 22:00, 5 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

Any comment here? Wikivoyage:Travellers'_pub#Promote_via_open_projects.3F? Pashley (talk) 03:09, 31 July 2014 (UTC)Reply

Lol. Have you clicked his Contributions over the last 6 years? He's about as much of a Wikivoyageur as ibobi. He abandoned this project as soon as his check cleared from Internet Brands. SpendrupsForAll (talk) 18:53, 31 July 2014 (UTC)Reply

What's so funny about this User:SpendrupsForAll? You can't compare Evan with IB admins. Evan was the founder of this brilliant idea where we stand today and in my opinion, is a great Wikivoyager and I think his opinion will always have a weight no matter he's active or not. --Saqib (talk) 19:18, 31 July 2014 (UTC)Reply

Thanks, that's very nice! --EvanProdromou (talk) 03:26, 6 August 2014 (UTC)Reply

I don't have a lot to say, haven't followed the conversation. --EvanProdromou (talk) 03:26, 6 August 2014 (UTC)Reply

• Talk:Orchard Park#Arthur's True Value Hardware listing - Your comments on including or excluding hardware stores would be greatly appreciated. BuffaloBob (talk) 00:18, 3 September 2014 (UTC)Reply

Hello! Sorry for writing in English. As you're an administrator here, please check the message I left on MediaWiki talk:Licenses and the village pump. Thanks, Nemo 19:23, 18 September 2014 (UTC)Reply

Hey Evan!

Sorry to bother you, but you are one from very few names I remember from the "old" times. Back in Wikitravel time (and before it was bought by the company) I used to do some edits there (and very few on pl:Wikitravel) under the JanSlupski name. Rigth now I just got some messages about Wikimedia account merging event, and thought it would be nice if my Wikitravel->Wikivoyage edits/account were merged as well. Unfortunately it was not on the merge list, and after some digging I found out that it was renamed to User:(WT-en) JanSlupski. Moreiover I cannot login to it nor recover the password (no email address message or so). Is there any chance to rename this account to just "JanSlupski" and recover the password? I hope I would be able to merge it with "global" "JanSlupski" then.

Thanks, and all the best,

Jan

20:52, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Welcome back Jan! Do you still use the e-mail address you specified on your userpage; "[email protected]" ? Ryan: Would you be able to merge the accounts if Jan can confirm that he's the same person by sending an e-mail from the given email address to you? --Saqib (talk) 21:13, 18 March 2015 (UTC)Reply

Yes, the email is valid and got your message there. But it doesn't seem to work in recover password dialog. I just wrote to Ryan, hope he can help. Thanks for your response Saqib

Hey, that worked out well! --EvanProdromou (talk) 15:20, 19 March 2015 (UTC)Reply

Swept in from the pub

As of December 3, 2018, I work as product manager for the next-generation API for Wikimedia Foundation projects.

My job at WMF is to build a great API that makes it easy for third-party developers to make apps and web sites that use information from Wikipedia, Wikivoyage, and all the other WMF sites. I'm especially interested in encouraging developers to add editing capabilities to their tools so that their users are first-class participants in our collaborative projects.

What does this mean for Wikivoyage? I'm not sure. My work at the WMF doesn't focus on Wikivoyage. But my hope is that the work I do will help more contributors to participate and share their knowledge here. I especially hope that I can help those apps that use WV data dumps to show static content to change to a more read-write model. ---EvanProdromou (talk) 21:09, 30 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

Congratulations! -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:17, 30 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

@EvanProdromou: Are we able to do a traceback on which sites or apps use WV data dumps? Then we have a better idea why they are using our data. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 07:33, 2 December 2018 (UTC)Reply

Would it be practical to use Git or some other version control system (maybe even a purpose-built one?) to drive a wiki? That would let mirror sites use Git operations to stay up to date & instead of the current sandboxes in user space, one could have one's own tree for experiments.

It might also allow better filtering of random contributions, newbie mistakes, spam and/or vandalism before they appear in main space. That is really tricky, though. w:Citizendium was a mostly well-intentioned project trying to do something like that, but it failed miserably by getting some of the mechanisms wrong. Pashley (talk) 11:36, 2 December 2018 (UTC)Reply

That's great! Congratulations, Evan! Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:09, 2 December 2018 (UTC)Reply

Congrats, Evan. I hope that your work on APIs will allow app makers to better access Wikivoyage data. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:40, 2 December 2018 (UTC)Reply

Congratulations --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 22:14, 2 December 2018 (UTC)Reply

Congratulations! The best data that Wikivoyage can offer third-party developers, besides the travel guide itself, might be the listings. A Russian Wikivoyager and I are maintaining this CSV database of Wikivoyage listings, feel free to have a look. There is even a API to query it, but I am sure you could do better if worth the hassle. My personal opinion is that all of this data should go into Wikidata, but I don't see that happening within 10 years, even if everyone shared my opinion, which is not the case :-) Cheers! Syced (talk) 07:21, 7 December 2018 (UTC)Reply

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Thanks for the reminder! I'm going to add some content today. ---EvanProdromou (talk) 15:04, 2 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

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