Wikivoyage talk:Barncompasses Voyage Tips and guide

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I don't think having just four barnstar is very helpful. If there are several, it gives more of an idea how they may be used by our editors, and it also adds a bit more colour and variety to them which is also attractive. Also, we need barnstars templates which are pretty easy to use. --Saqib (talk) 15:09, 7 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

Do we really need policy or templates on this? Just link to whichever barnstar on Commons you want to give. --Globe-trotter (talk) 18:45, 7 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

Do you mean if someone wants to give a barnstar (which is not available here on WV) to somebody, xe will have to give the user the link of that barnstar on Commons? Isn't that awkward? Alright, I won't say we do really need more than four barnstars yet, but at least we really need a consensus on barnstar templates. --Saqib (talk) 14:01, 9 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

No, I think you can just add any barnstar you want on a user page. No templates or policies are necessary I think; it's just a tradition. That's why this is a help page (to inform new users of the practice), and not a policy page (to guide how it should be done). --Globe-trotter (talk) 17:59, 9 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

Swept in from the pub

Hi! I was just wondering, does WV have an equivalent to the barnstar system for contributions on Wikipedia, or do we use that system here too? If not, could there be a travel-themed alternative? --Nick (talk) 16:29, 25 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

See Wikivoyage:Barnstars for the current implementation. -- Ryan • (talk) • 16:45, 25 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Thanks! Couldn't find it when I searched! --Nick (talk) 16:47, 25 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

It could be an interesting idea to change the barnstars to something more travel-oriented and relevant to our wiki. It will make this place a little more unique and handing out appreciation a little more fun. I'd also like to see the WikiLove extension enabled. JamesA ^>talk 00:31, 26 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

It would be nice to have a specific Wikivoyage system of showing our appreciation. I was initially thinking hats (pith helmet for good expedition, sun hat for sunny disposition etc), but with travel there's a huge number of things we could consider. Any suggestions? --Nick (talk) 01:02, 26 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

What if we adopted a set of images like:

• A compass
• A sextant
• A walking stick
• A canteen

and/or other navigation-related items? Texugo (talk) 01:43, 26 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

A compass sounds very interesting! Just like barnstars, it'd simply be a matter of chucking a picture in front, although creative uses are possible with colours, etc. We could also think about methods of travel: planes, trains, boats, buses, etc. JamesA ^>talk 01:53, 26 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

I did think of that, but I thought it would seem a little bit odd to say "You did a good job, so I'm giving you a... bus!".Texugo (talk) 01:57, 26 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hehehe, good point. I think the compass is ideal, preferably one with long "arms" that extend out of the circular area, kind of like the points of a star. Might be worth scouring through commons:Category:Compasses for an image, and we'd need to decide whether to use a real photo or an animated SVG/PNG graphic. JamesA ^>talk 02:05, 26 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

A beach umbrella. K7L (talk) 02:05, 26 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Some sort of template image to which decorations or color are added would be ideal, rather than a series of different images. But keep in mind that barnstars are not unique to Wikipedia. The awarding of barnstars goes back to the earliest days of wikis, and symbolize the shared effort that is creating a wiki, much like raising a barn. There is some value to keeping up the wiki tradition in that respect; it shows that we know our history and helps position us as a member of the wider wiki world. LtPowers (talk) 02:14, 26 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

I do like the idea of a compass, but maybe we could have a nod to the barnstar as well? Could we perhaps create a four-pointed version of the barnstar and then put a circle of the same colour around it, creating a sort of compass/star hybrid? That way, we retain our link to other wikis, whilst showing our own unique identity. --Nick (talk) 14:42, 26 February 2013 (UTC) PS I would like to receive a bus! :)Reply

You are talking about the compass rose - I like that idea very much, though I don´t have the photo shop skills to bend the star into a four-pointed one...Texugo (talk) 14:55, 26 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

I'm not sure I have the skills either, but I'll have a go this evening (GMT)! If anyone else fancies a try, please go ahead, I'm certain mine will not be superior! --Nick (talk) 15:04, 26 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Right, I've done a very quick one, though it's a bit wonky! I'll try and smooth it out a bit later. --Nick (talk) 15:35, 26 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Neato! If we can give it one of those fancy complex compass rose backgrounds and the needle/direction markers, it'll look pretty cool I think! Texugo (talk) 15:57, 26 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

What if you layer that on top of a slightly smaller one that is rotated 45 degrees, maybe of a slightly different color, to give the ordinal directions? Texugo (talk) 17:13, 26 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

There we go! I've tidied it up a bit too. Any thoughts? --Nick (talk) 17:53, 26 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Definitely like the direction this is going. Where is everyone else's opinion?Texugo (talk) 17:58, 26 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

That barncompass is so cool looking. Count me as fully behind this. PerryPlanet (talk) 21:40, 26 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Thanks very much! Does anyone else have any opinions? --Nick (talk) 23:58, 26 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

This is fantastic. I love where this is going, and definitely still has recognition has an evolution of the original barnstar. JamesA ^>talk 06:08, 27 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

I've made it a little more circular as well - the image is now more square. Is that an improvement? --Nick (talk) 14:24, 27 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Certainly. What if you add a few radial lines, add gradations around the inside of the circle, and change the background inside the circle to some light shade of brown? Texugo (talk) 14:33, 27 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

My only thinking on that issue was that it might be better to leave it plain so that more variants can be created from this original, referring to different aspects of the Wikivoyage community, but I'm more than happy to have a go if people think that would improve the design. Would we want variants and if so, what sort; Wikipedia has hundreds! --Nick (talk) 14:41, 27 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

I just think it should have a little more indication that it is a compass and not, say, a throwing star or something.Texugo (talk) 14:43, 27 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

I'll have a go later on then and post the results here. :) --Nick (talk) 14:50, 27 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Here's a messy version of what Texugo suggested. Which one does everyone prefer? --Nick (talk) 23:30, 27 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Any other opinions would also be welcome! --Nick (talk) 21:18, 27 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

I think it would be nice to have a gallery of awards we can pick from - a bit like the large range we have in Singapore shops when we're choosing a greetings card. (Sorry to be so air-headed). -- Alice^✉ 01:52, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

No need to apologise! I entirely agree and I already have some ideas. What we choose here would be basis for the others, hence my personal predilection for the plainer barncompass. --Nick (talk) 01:56, 28 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

I think the tick line ought to be as thin as possible, and maybe as a compromise could appear either as just slightly darker lines only on the border ring itself, or coming in from the border line only a few pixels, leaving most of the interior free.Texugo (talk) 02:30, 28 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

It's improving rapidly! :) In response to Alice, I agree that there should be a variety that will develop over time. But first we should establish a base design that can be tweaked in various ways depending on the usage. JamesA ^>talk 08:13, 28 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

3rd time lucky! As Texugo suggested, I'm made the tick lines thinner and smaller. I think it is a good compromise and I rescind my previous reservations! --Nick (talk) 11:06, 28 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

I think it is beautiful! Texugo (talk) 11:26, 28 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Great! Jjtk (talk) 11:29, 28 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

I did just have another random thought, although I don't know if it would appease LtPowers objection about tradition, but it would be barn-related and somewhat compass related (travel-related, somewhat less so) to use a weathercock, if anybody hates this compass rose idea. Personally, I definitely prefer the compass rose.Texugo (talk) 11:33, 28 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

I've swapped my earlier attempt for the new version with the same coloured background, just for comparison, though I think the blank one is more versatile and hence better suited to this task. --Nick (talk) 15:50, 28 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Any ideas for variants that we'd like? Is this something that we'd be interested in implementing? --Nick (talk) 21:09, 28 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

(I've been off line since Monday, and this has all happened while I was away!)

1. I really like the concept of a compass rose type image, and the execution based the WP style barnstar is also nice, but "Barncompass"? Barnstars have a history behind the name which is rich and meaningful but barncompass is a chimaera of two unrelated words and really doesn't sound good to me. Compass barnstar, Voyager barnstar, at least have some meaning to them, or just call it a Compass rose, to be different from the WP barnstar bandwagon. It can still be classified as a barnstar variant.
2. Lets use graduations at the same intervals as a real compass if we really want them. We can either go with the currently used 360 degree circle, where there will usually be a major graduation line every 10 degrees, or the more traditional "points", which are 16 or 32 to the circle (my preference, as it is more commonly associated with the use of this style compass rose). 15 degree marks are not used on any compass that I know of, an.
3. The emblem may look better without the ring. If we want the ring, a bit of shading may help.
4. Lighter minor points may work better.
5. I suggest this award be specifically for travel content work, - keep the regular barnstar for support work.• • • Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 15:22, 1 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for your comments. If you're prepared to make these edits, I'm more than happy for you to do so. I'm no expert at Photoshop, so please 'plunge forward'! I simply chose gradations that (to my mind, but plainly not yours) looked best.

I chose the name 'Barncompass' because it doesn't take itself too seriously and doesn't have any deep-rooted meaning. It's just whimsical and a wee bit funny: I think one can take such awards a bit too seriously and I'd see this as Wikivoyage's remedy to that. However, I am fairly new to the community and it's quite possible that I've failed to see the importance of them. --Nick (talk) 01:01, 2 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi Nick, I will have a try with Inkscape, as we will need an easily editable svg version if we go with this idea.

I will leave the name to consensus, which is how it must be anyway. Just saying that I prefer a name that will be more meaningful to most people. Up to this time we have taken barnstars much more seriously than WP as may be shown by the small number that are awarded. This is just a local tradition, and may change over time, but it is also one of thie things that gives our community its own character, and one that I like. Since the migration and the large influx of new contributors, which is without doubt a move in the right direction, we are being watered down a bit. In some ways this is, and has been, good. in other ways it has been stressful to some of us. That's life. you go with the flow when its going your way, and try to shift it when it goes where you don't want to go. Some you win and some you lose, and its not always possible to tell which is which all of the time. Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 07:02, 2 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi Peter! I'm sorry if you feel I've encroached on an important facet of the WV community - I'm certainly not trying to usurp any existing processes and if my earlier response came across as a bit crusty, I'm sorry. I am new to this community and I don't want anyone to think that I'm trying to remove any piece of its heritage.

I'll have a go later on at the things you suggest and see where I get. Of course, any implementation would be wholly up to the community and if this an unwanted suggestion then I would not wish to force it upon people. Thanks! :) --Nick (talk) 11:38, 2 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Nick, I don't feel you have encroached on anything, this is just how we work things out here, by discussing them until a consensus is reached. If one has an opinion, one airs it or it is never known. We try to do this civilly and rationally, but there is no requirement to agree with everybody unless you think they are right. We do tend to accept things we don't think are optimal if enough others think that is the way to go, and there is a lot of compromise needed to keep the circus on the road. Your compass rose barnstar is a nice idea, no one has objected yet, and we are ironing out details. I am battling a bit with the svg, so it may take longer than I expected to come up with the alternative details I suggested, but they are details. Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 14:18, 2 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Right here's another 'Barncompass' with the moved points and some slight shading. Is it an improvement? --Nick (talk) 18:11, 11 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

I like it! I think that's the version we should go with, but is there anyone who's still opposed to the idea of a barncompass? We're still keeping tradition while being unique in our own right. I think it's a win-win. If no one opposes over the next few days, I'll move Project:Barnstars to Project:Barncompasses and work on rewriting/reformatting the page. As soon as the SVG is ready, we'll be able to go crazy with variations of which I have many ideas! JamesA ^>talk 09:41, 16 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Thanks very much! --Nick (talk) 10:25, 16 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi! Do you think we're at a point where we can go forward with this? --Nick (talk) 11:29, 22 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi Nick, I really like the idea with 'Barncompasses'. Well done! --Danapit (talk) 14:52, 16 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Thanks! Does anyone have any ideas for variants? --Nick (talk) 16:15, 17 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

I see agreement, even enthusiasm, on use of the new compass barnstar, but not on changing the name for the class of items from Barnstar, which has a meaning and a history, to Barncompass, a portmanteau of unrelated components. 105.226.207.87 06:02, 27 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Well, it would be silly to call it a Barnstar, because it's not a barnstar... Do you have any better suggestions? JamesA ^>talk 08:02, 27 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

If you have any better ideas, please do let me know! I only used that name because it sort of describes what it is, but it also a bit silly (in a nice way!). --Nick (talk) 10:17, 27 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi! Just to let you know, we're currently discussing a new variant of the barnstar here, in the Pub. Any comments would be very welcome! --Nick (talk) 14:07, 27 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Swept in from the pub

Hello everyone! As per the above discussion I've replaced the existing Barnstar system with the world-renowned Wikivoyage Barncompass. You can find the new Barncompass page here. Let me know if you'd like any changes to be made to the template (eg background colour etc). Share the WikiLove! :) --Nick (talk) 20:42, 26 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Question: Do we want to keep barnstars as well as the new compasses? I don't really have feelings either way, although I probably would say that having 1 award simplifies things and marks WV out. What do we think? --Nick (talk) 10:24, 27 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Following the question risen by User:JamesA elsewhere, I also think we could keep stars and compasses in parallel. At least until we develop a more advanced collection of compasses variations. Barncompass would be something special for VW community though... I enjoyed using it ;) --Danapit (talk) 10:27, 27 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Keep both. • • • Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 06:09, 28 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

I think keep the original star, but that's it. Don't allow variations of the original barnstar like Wikipedia has; we should only have variations of the barncompass. JamesA ^>talk 07:12, 28 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Lets not get unnecessarily prosciptive about freedom of expression outside mainspace. • • • Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 07:58, 28 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

I've added it back now - you can see the finished result here. :) --Nick (talk) 08:57, 28 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi all. I didn't think this was important and contentious enough to get a post in the Pub. How about enabling the mw:WikiLove extension? If you're unfamiliar, you can see it in action on Wikipedia. It basically adds a heart button on people's user (talk) pages where you are encouraged to give them awards; in our case, barncompasses. It can be disabled by individual users if they wish. So can we make a consensus for its deployment before I make a tech request? JamesA ^>talk 00:46, 31 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Happy to support this! --Nick (talk) 00:51, 31 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Sure, go ahead. If there's anything I'd hope no-one would argue with, it would be something like this. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:55, 31 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Wondering why we're taking so long to install it.--Saqib (talk) 19:19, 8 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Agree. Let's do it. -- DerFussi 09:01, 23 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

One more comment. The question should be asked at meta. All language versions could be interested in this idea and want to take part the discussion. And maybe its usefull to inform the WV association as well. It's the one who supports the project and can organise the new ideas/requests/projects in the future. You can ask Saqib. He is a member. -- DerFussi 17:35, 23 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

It looks like Italian Wikivoyage is already using the wikilove extension, so while I don't disagree that other Wikivoyage instances may be interested, it appears to be something that individual language versions have implemented independently. -- Ryan • (talk) • 17:52, 23 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Yes, the lack of coordination is one thing that I've noticed since my arrival in the project (~Jan-13). I think that we should set up an area to discuss about common initiatives or at least to share them. --Andyrom75 (talk) 18:03, 23 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

At the same time, I also propose to install Thanks extension as well. I've requested the installation of both the extensions at Bugzilla. --Saqib (talk) 18:35, 23 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Although it's a nice feature I would suggest you to select the extensions between the ones classified "Release status: stable" this would mitigate the risk of unexpected issues among the site. --Andyrom75 (talk) 20:11, 23 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

There is an area to discuss about common initiatives or at least to share them called Meta. You can present your idea there to an international audience. --Timmaexx (talk) 20:39, 23 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

:-))) Thanks Timmaexx. What I meant is for example that I don't know what's going on in pl:voy and what they need. I think that someone (interested in communication and/or coordination) should collect information from the various launges publishing them into the Lounge Meta and push the abstracts of the news into the various lounges (English would be fine). Not all the users goes out from the "home wiki". --Andyrom75 (talk) 21:49, 23 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

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It looks like the extension is now installed. From Special:Version:

WikiLove (Version 1.2)	Adds an interface for facilitating positive user feedback to user talk pages	Ryan Kaldari and Jan Paul Posma

-- Ryan • (talk) • 18:24, 24 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

I tried to customise the original barnstar image with Wikivoyage one, but couldn't able to. --Saqib (talk) 19:27, 24 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, seems like it's live, but Echo will have to wait, apparently. Note that the Thanks extension depends on Echo. --Rschen7754 19:31, 24 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Yes, both the extensions won't be installed until we reach a consensus here. --Saqib (talk) 19:36, 24 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

I successfully managed to add our own Barncompass, but it isn't the default selection and gets moved to the bottom. I'll keep testing. James A ▪ talk 13:10, 25 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Try this code James. mw.loader.using( 'ext.wikiLove.defaultOptions', function() { $.wikiLoveOptions.types.barnstar.subtypes.original.image = 'Barncompass.png'; } ); --Saqib (talk) 13:46, 25 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Nice work, but we would also need to change the text in the list to not say "Original Barnstar". And some people like handing out the original barnstar instead, but I guess getting rid of it should be no big deal. James A ▪ talk 13:52, 25 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

mw.loader.using( 'ext.wikiLove.defaultOptions', function() {
	$.wikiLoveOptions.types.barnstar.subtypes.original.option = 'Wikivoyage Barncompass';
	$.wikiLoveOptions.types.barnstar.subtypes.original.header = 'A barncompass for you!';
	$.wikiLoveOptions.types.barnstar.subtypes.original.title = 'The Wikivoyage Barncompass';
	$.wikiLoveOptions.types.barnstar.subtypes.original.image = 'Barncompass.png';
} );

James, I think we should have more barncompasses and what do you think about deleting the kittens and food interface entirely? --Saqib (talk) 20:14, 25 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

If we are to get more barncompasses, it might be worth mentioning it in the pub first: both to get ideas for derivatives and because I think some people like keeping it simple. If wanted, I'm more than happy to make some more versions! :) --Nick ^talk 20:49, 25 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

James, please note I've put the same code in MediaWiki:WikiLove.js that's why WikiLove extension is now customised for the entire wiki. --Saqib (talk) 22:22, 25 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

For the record, this is exactly the sort of thing that should go to the Pub. Adding a new extension should almost always be widely publicized in order to get a wide consensus. If the Wikilove extension is to be kept -- which I'm a bit on the fence about -- then I would like to see the available options reduced significantly. The kittens, for instance, need to go, as do the vast majority of barnstars -- all of them, if they can be replaced by barncompasses. If that's not possible, then I would prefer to see the Wikilove extension uninstalled. LtPowers (talk) 14:18, 28 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Good enthusiasm with the new barncompasses, SHB. I think they might be better if they were edited to have the relevant buildings/animals/etc incorporated in the barncompasses' design, though. Does anyone here have the graphic editing capacities for such a move? The original barnstars might provide inspiration, as there's a lot of variants. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 15:00, 13 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

The barncompasses are still a work in progress. I'm planning to do one for every single major country (that's advisable to go to) plus a few more like "The Patrollers barncompass" or "The Sysops barncompass" (really want to give one of these to User:Ikan Kekek) as well as some like "the learners barncompass". SHB2000 (talk) 00:39, 14 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I was assuming they were a work in process. Admin barncompasses, etc sound like a good idea. What would a learner's one be? Vaticidalprophet (talk) 12:12, 14 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I'm currently asking a few people (not on Wikivoyage or any wikimedia project) SHB2000 (talk) 12:20, 14 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

@SHB2000: I just coincidentally found out through Commons that there's a Wikivoyage admin barnstar style already. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 06:21, 15 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

And a few pre-existing location barncompasses with the design style I was thinking of. Do you mind if I move them here? Vaticidalprophet (talk) 06:22, 15 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Oui, s'il vous plais. (Ask User:ThunderingTyphoons! for what that means. SHB2000 (talk) 07:06, 15 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I know just enough French. ;) For the record, you did label the sysop's one as a crat one. The crats have a different symbol, with a wrench instead of a mop. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 08:21, 15 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

By the way, is there a way to add these to the WikiLove section at the top? SHB2000 (talk) 10:23, 15 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Swept in from the pub

I was just wondering if I should add a code containing 2-4 letters. l to each barncompass I create. This way, it's less typing, and the use of slangs (e.g. Kiwi) are close to zero. I've done this to Australian State ones (e.g. BCNSW or BCSA). While there may be duplicates like SA meaning South Australia or South Africa (which can be RSA). This plan doesn't include the original one and Vat's continent barncompasses which can be left alone. Should I do this, or is it too confusing? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 05:48, 15 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

And to clarify, these codes are mostly derived from internet codes. So BCCA will go to Canada and not California. That can have BCCAL. Washington would have to be BCWASH. (WA taken up by Western Australia) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:56, 15 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Somehow I thought barncompass is something special to "give"... If you plan to spread them so much you can't be even bothered to write a few appreciation words manually, then what's the point? You can also just click "thanks" in the page history, you know... :) -- andree.sk(talk) 06:51, 16 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

No, that's not the point. While I do not mind typing a few words, knowing each barncompass is difficult. For example, BCCA is easily identifiable as Canada. And if you realise, I only chose to expand this, as I feel like there's not enough thankfulness here. And a personalised one is always a much more appreciative one, rather than a simple one. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 06:55, 16 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Andree.sk: I explained the idea on my talk page, it is not removing the words typed after the barncompass, but to write the type of barncompass quicker as a lot more have been created recently. 82.3.185.12 18:01, 17 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

tbh, I'd actually prefer a variable style barncompass (the idea that you explained). The problem comes when the original BC. So for example if the original one is meant to be blank, {{Barncompass|reason here}} and when you introduce the variables (e.g. {{Barncompass|AU|reason here}}), that can make it confusing. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:27, 18 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

@SHB2000: Couldn't you just name the variable "Original"? Another option would be to number them (original: 1, Australian, 2 etc.) and put a list of numbers of the Template:Barncompass page. 82.3.185.12 15:06, 19 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

I don't like having to look up codes, and I suppose others do neither. What about checking whether there is a second parameter and treat the first one depending on that? I suppose there haven't been any second parameters before. –LPfi (talk) 15:14, 19 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

But if you leave it blank, it'll come up as an error. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 21:26, 19 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Depending on your code. It should handle both variants. –LPfi (talk) 05:46, 20 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Swept in from the pub

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I created a few country-specific barncompasses and would like your feedback. I kept them language-neutral as much as possible so that other languages can re-use them as well. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 15:39, 29 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Nice! --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 21:04, 29 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Nice – this was a project I started long ago, but abandoned, but it'll be great to see more of these in the future (User:SHB2000/List of Barncompasses for anyone who needs a reference – feel free to edit it). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 22:27, 29 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Gorgeous. I hope you don't mind me refactoring as a gallery to keep these from sliding down the Pub. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:12, 9 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Not at all. Thanks. I have uploaded more onto Commons. The Caribbeans and Oceania countries have to be approached differently since the don't have a major landmass but scattered across multiple small islands. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 04:16, 9 August 2023 (UTC)Reply